satnaam.info: Chat With Penji About Giving Everything

Preeto: Sat Naam Penji, dandauth bandhna ji

SS Penji: Sat Naam bhaji, dandauth bandana ji.

SS Penji: bhaji we have questions about daswand. should it be the tenth part of our earning or the saving.

SS Penji: also is it all to be given at one place or we can give it for gurdwara construction sewa, friends sewa at home or else?

Preeto: lets understand the meaning behind daswand first

SS Penji: ok ji

Preeto: God has given us everything

Preeto: He is creator of us

Preeto: but he puts a veil over our soul

Preeto: so we dont see Him

Preeto: but think we are the owner of this body and mind

Preeto: we think the earth and its riches and the universe is ours

Preeto: we get lost in me and mine

Preeto: we become so blind to the Truth

Preeto: so in bhagti we have to learn to remove the veil of falsehood

Preeto: and become truthful again

Preeto: so that is why first thing in Japji, Baba Nanak ji asks

Preeto: kiv sachyara hoiaa

Preeto: kiv kooray tutaa paal

Preeto: how do I become truthful?

Preeto: how is the veil of falsehood torn away?

Preeto: So that is what yogis, priests, preachers, siddhs, sages, jains etc have been trying for lifetimes

SS Penji: ok..

Preeto: everyone has been trying lots of ways and means

Preeto: but the bhagats and gurus found there is only one way

Preeto: and that is to give everything back to god

Preeto: EVERYTHING

Preeto: 100%

Preeto: to say nothing is mine

Preeto: everything is yours

Preeto: to stop living for "me" and "mine"

Preeto: to stop accumulating just more and more riches of the Earth

Preeto: to stop trying to make more and more things on the outside

Preeto: the things that drives us to make more and more

Preeto: is "I WANT"

Preeto: I=ego

Preeto: WANT=desire

Preeto: baba nanak says get out of haumai and trishna

Preeto: ego and desire

Preeto: get out of I WANT

Preeto: so baba nanak ji himself was the greatest giver

Preeto: gave langar to the sadhus

Preeto: gave everything to God

Preeto: left the family and walked and walked for 40yrs , 80000Km

Preeto: then Bhai Lehna ji

Preeto: came and also gave 100%

Preeto: gave up his old Hindu worshipping of fire

Preeto: gave up his family and old life

Preeto: just surrendered to the will of His guru

Preeto: dhan baba nanak

Preeto: just as baba nanak ji had surrendered to the will of His SatGuru - Sat Naam

Preeto: same with all the following Guru ji

Preeto: and same with all the bhagats

Preeto: that was the way to reach God in those days

SS Penji: hanji surrendering everything

Preeto: give up everything and physically go and serve the Guru day and night

Preeto: for many, many years

Preeto: before they gave you the Naam

Preeto: Naam was given to very few

Preeto: Naam is called priceless diamond in gurbani

Preeto: naam amolak heera

Preeto: so the one who has earned it, has died whilst alive,

Preeto: given their head to god,

Preeto: given everything to God

Preeto: and most Gurus, even now

Preeto: dont give this priceless diamond easily to anyone

SS Penji: ok bhaji

Preeto: mostly in sangats all around the world

Preeto: people go with wants

Preeto: and holy people give them what they want

Preeto: a mantra

Preeto: or a shabad to recite

Preeto: to make their wishes come true

SS Penji: ok

Preeto: one sant said after a lifetime of helping people like that

Preeto: that nobody had come for Naam

SS Penji: hanji but for their wishes.

Preeto: so many Sants who have naam, dont even pass it on

Preeto: because they never found anyone who was willing to give their head, to die, to surrender everything

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: even in sant deras now in india

Preeto: some are true and same thing happens

Preeto: first sant found the Truth

Preeto: following Sants just sit on the seat, but never surrendered 100%

Preeto: just want the power, the respect, fill their belly

Preeto: same in religions all over the world

Preeto: Jesus had the Truth

Preeto: and died for it

Preeto: same with 10 gurus

Preeto: same with Mohammed ji

Preeto: and Buddha

Preeto: all merged into the Truth

Preeto: , but within 100 years of them dying

Preeto: organised religion takes over

Preeto: and what is left is just a shell

Preeto: because NO ONE wants to die whilst alive

Preeto: to surrender everything

Preeto: because "I WANT" doesn't go easily

Preeto: so that is the spirit behind giving of daswand

Preeto: to surrender to the one who has given you the priceless diamond of Naam

SS Penji: bhaji we were thinking to make a budget for daswand after all expenses and savings for our daughter's education. is it an ok thought?

SS Penji: and where should daswand go to?

Preeto: so daswand is just to get people into the idea of giving

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: but it's still just a calculation

Preeto: 10%

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: if people take it literally

Preeto: and make it just into another transaction

Preeto: and inside they still dont surrender everything

Preeto: dont understand the spirit behind the teaching

Preeto: then even its no good

SS Penji: hanji bhaji, we are bad.

Preeto: no you are not bad

Preeto: you are doing great

Preeto: you are learning

Preeto: we are just trying to help you skip over some misunderstandings about daswand

SS Penji: not ready to surrender everything not even 10% cu of these worldly possessions

Preeto: yes

Preeto: great

Preeto: that is good

Preeto: you are seeing your own MOH

Preeto: just even thinking about giving daswand

Preeto: you see how your five thieves start resisting

SS Penji: hanji haji, we could have surrendered everything if we were single

Preeto: every guru is different

Preeto: Dassan Dass ji and Baba ji DO NOT want us to do what Bhai Lehna ji did

SS Penji: we are crying bhaji, we don't want these things but God

Preeto: they want us to carry on living our or life because that is how we pay back our past dues, clear our karmic accounts with everyone

Preeto: you are good soul Penji

Preeto: crying cleans the filth

Preeto: soul is waking up

Preeto: veil of falsehood is tearing

SS Penji: we want to meet God being alive. if we were single, we could have really surrendered everything. please bless us bhaji to move further and see God within us.

Preeto: being single, people still dont meet God

SS Penji: ok.

Preeto: it's not to do with being single or married

Preeto: it's to do with your inner surrender

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: right now you just pray from your heart "mun tun tera, dhan bhee tera

Preeto: tu takur swamee prabh mera"

Preeto: mind, body and wealth are Yours,

Preeto: And you O Master are Mine."

Preeto: that's all

SS Penji: doing that and crying

Preeto: inside when thoughts of me and mine come

SS Penji: missing the dear Lord

Preeto: you just keep giving everything back to God

Preeto: change ma and mera

Preeto: to tu and tera

Preeto: tu tu karta tu hovay

Preeto: Sat Naam

SS Penji: Sat Naam

Preeto: just do Sat Naam inside

Preeto: ad gareebee ardas

Preeto: sachay patshah I am full of five thieves

Preeto: never given anything

Preeto: never surrendered

Preeto: resistant to give even a tenth

Preeto: everything is yours

Preeto: please forgive me all of my mistakes

Preeto: I came with nothing and will go with nothing

Preeto: whatever you give me

Preeto: please let me keep giving and sharing it

Preeto: ik oankaar Sat Naam satgurparsaad

Preeto: param joyt pooran prakash

Preeto: dhan dhan sat parbrahm parmesar

Preeto: dhan dhan Sat Naam

Preeto: dhan dhan SatGuru

Preeto: dhan dhan sat sangat

Preeto: dhan dhan shabad guru

SS Penji: hanji bhaji, feeling better now

Preeto: good

Preeto: it's all His blessings

SS Penji: bhaji tell us about daswand please. where should it go and its to be of the income or the saving.

Preeto: baba ji said daswand should be of your gross salary

Preeto: and given first to the guru

Preeto: but he said hardly anyone does that!!

Preeto: But people dont realise that daswand is all going to come back to the person in MULTITUDE

Preeto: because that is what God does,

Preeto: when you give HIM back everything

Preeto: you think you have, He also gives EVERYTHING HE has to you!

Preeto: First relationship is with God in the one who gave you Naam,

Preeto: but then you give wherever you feel a connection to do so,

Preeto: that is just karma playing out

Preeto: give and take

Preeto: whether you think it's because it Gurdwara

Preeto: or charity

Preeto: or family

Preeto: or whatever story we believe to make us give

Preeto: it's just karma playing out

Preeto: dues are being balanced out only

Preeto: if it's difficult for you just email dassan dass ji

Preeto: he sees your heart

Preeto: he won't let you get into difficulty

Preeto: it's all about opening your heart

Preeto: surrendering and trusting God in the one who gave you naam

Preeto: it's that love and trust

SS Penji: ok bhaji

Preeto: that is the power in your heart to take you to god

SS Penji: we want to write dassan dass ji every day in the morning once a day to dandauth him then we think he might be busy

Preeto: just do it

Preeto: if that is your feeling

Preeto: then trust it

Preeto: get up, first thing do dandauth bandhna on the floor

Preeto: lie flat

Preeto: imagine their holy feet in front of you

Preeto: surrender everything

Preeto: become thankful to them

Preeto: thank everyone who has helped you

SS Penji: beautiful feeling when you do it from your heart

Preeto: thank the earth beneath you for supporting you

Preeto: for of giving you a physical body on loan

Preeto: thank Sat Naam KartaPurakh for this chance to be alive

SS Penji: sometimes we imagine you four for the dandauth we do it to you, dassan dass ji, baba ji and Pritam Anand ji

SS Penji: hanji bhaji

Preeto: that's it, that what we do too

Preeto: dandauth bandhna to all who are connected to the naam

Preeto: for all the sangat

Preeto: for all creatures

Preeto: for all of nature

Preeto: become lowest

Preeto: become nothing

Preeto: and Sat Naam becomes everything

Preeto: keep giving, giving, giving

Preeto: even if it's only a penny, keep giving something to anyone who asks

Preeto: just keep your heart open

Preeto: always be aware when 5 thieves come in with logic

Preeto: we gave daswand

Preeto: was difficult for us too

Preeto: no one explained what we explained to you

Preeto: but we had a dream at the beginning 10 yrs. ago

Preeto: that we were giving daswand to baba ji

Preeto: and many times we stopped and started and finally we had financial difficulties

Preeto: and then had the test inside

Preeto: "do we save, or do we trust guru and give daswand?"

SS Penji: ok bhaji. you give it now regularly, that's what we were thinking about you that you might be saving money for your daughters and you manage the daswand

Preeto: and thankfully we gave it

Preeto: then our wife found out

Preeto: and she got really, REALLY, REALLY angry

Preeto: and had a massive fight with us

SS Penji: oh

SS Penji: was the test

Preeto: she was ready to leave and go back to her family

Preeto: she was shouting and going crazy

Preeto: our kids got scared too

Preeto: we were strong for a while

Preeto: but then got worried too that she would really leave us

Preeto: and then we turned into one of those Indian films "if you leave now then NEVER COME BACK!!""

Preeto: - sounds so dumb now

Preeto: but it was our MOH

SS Penji: hanji bilkul bhaji

Preeto: getting scared

Preeto: MOH always wants to hold onto what it has

SS Penji: so what was the end of this fight. she stayed back

Preeto: and MOH is always full of fear of losing what it has

Preeto: then we realised we are not in a good state of mind- 5 thieves are here

Preeto: so we went for a long walk in the dark in the rains

SS Penji: ok

Preeto: we tried to call baba ji too

Preeto: but failed

Preeto: then we realised this is our test and we have to put what we have learned into practise

Preeto: and we just did ardas and our simran

Preeto: as we walked

SS Penji: ok..

Preeto: and our mind cooled down

Preeto: and we got home and said to our wife

Preeto: if you are so unhappy, then it is fine with us, you can go , take the kids as you want to , you are not our prisoner, you are free

Preeto: and we really meant it

SS Penji: ok

Preeto: we didn't get married to make a prisoner

SS Penji: ok

Preeto: so we beat our moh

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: and she just said "where will I go? I I'm ok with you."

SS Penji: how sweet, is she on this path?

Preeto: no she doesn't like this path

Preeto: but she is 90% better than 10 yrs ago

SS Penji: hanji she might have changed a lot being with you

Preeto: so we always have to stay true to Sat Naam and SatGuru

Preeto: and trust even if we lose our family, lose our money, lose our reputation, we cannot lose Naam and Gurus' feet from our heart

SS Penji: we feel our patience is tested a lot now with our daughter and other activities around

SS Penji: hanji bhaji

Preeto: and just to finish off the story

Preeto: so 2 yrs ago when we went to see baba ji

SS Penji: sometimes we fail sometimes we manage.

Preeto: we were giving some daswand

Preeto: and baba ji said "o no its oks , no need now"

SS Penji: now you do the sangat in your home bhaji so she accepts that

Preeto: and we just said "well EVERYTHING is your baba ji"

Preeto: and Baba ji was happy that we realised and said "that's it, now you get it, now you get what daswand is for, NOT FOR ME, but to open your heart 100%"

Preeto: He said that our giving of daswand is complete, our dues are cleared.

SS Penji: Nice bhaji

Preeto: And we had also had a dream a few weeks before that

Preeto: we saw a sevadar taking an envelope to baba ji

Preeto: and said this is Harjit's daswand

Preeto: and Baba ji asked him "well what does Harjit WANT in return?"

Preeto: and then we came running out and said to Baba ji "no baba ji we dont want anything, everything is yours."

SS Penji: nice bhaji. so bhaji dassan dass ji is in usa and babaji is in canada rt? we saw dassan dass ji in our dream too. it was a kind of sangat in india and dassan das ji was sleeping at night we were all waiting for him to wake up.

Preeto: so it happens inside us first, deep down inside us we have to surrender out of love, that even in our dreams only truth happens

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: yes DD in US & BJ in Canada

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: yes, everything will happen in your dreams and samadhis

SS Penji: your guru is Baba ji or DD. I am asking too much bhaji. sorry

Preeto: they are with you ALL the time, just do SAT NAAM

SS Penji: ok bhaji

Preeto: Dassan Dass ji introduced us to Baba ji 10 yrs ago over email

Preeto: and baba ji gave us Naam over the phone

Preeto: so Baba ji is our Sat Guru

Preeto: and after that baba ji blessed Dassan Dass ji to give naam over email to others

Preeto: but they are both our SatGuru

Preeto: same light inside

Preeto: Baba ji says, there is no difference between him and dassan dass ji now

SS Penji: that's beautiful

Preeto: and just as daswand becomes complete

Preeto: the time as being a Sikh ends too

Preeto: when your SatGuru releases you

Preeto: makes you the same as him

Preeto: and says - ok now you are direct with God, go and do what god wants you to in the world.

Preeto: so that is why on this path it's so important to be like Bhai Lehna ji

Preeto: and like dassan dass ji with his guru

Preeto: 100% trust, love and devotion

Preeto: until they say your daswand is complete

SS Penji: hanji bhaji

Preeto: until they say your bhagti is complete

Preeto: otherwise we have seen so many REALLY blessed souls in this sangat

Preeto: who gave more than anyone else,

SS Penji: ok

Preeto: who experienced more than anyone else

Preeto: but right at the end

Preeto: they declared themself as SATGURU

Preeto: BEFORE Baba ji let them go

SS Penji: oh like under ego

Preeto: and they stopped listening to their Guru

SS Penji: not good

Preeto: YES even having all the GIAN , ego made them blind.

SS Penji: ego kills you, see even in the end you lose if ego dominates

Preeto: Because in those final stages there is SAT KA NASHA

SS Penji: oh

Preeto: intoxication of SAT/Truth

Preeto: like a drug

SS Penji: ok

Preeto: makes you feel most powerful and wonderful

SS Penji: now they lost everything? can they restart now or in next life only?

Preeto: they lost everything

SS Penji: oh

Preeto: and are left with anger and bitterness and blame baba ji, whenever some asks for forgiveness they can restart. Same happened with us , at the beginning we slandered baba ji, realised our mistake, went to see him to apologize ad he has transformed us in his kindness – buraa da bhalaa kar – he only did kindness to me the bad one. That is what a true SatGuru does.

SS Penji: oh

Preeto: we saw some of them recently, they have gone dark

Preeto: no light left on their faces

SS Penji: they could have waited. its not baba ji who did that but the worst thief ego did

Preeto: the thing is there is always going to be a HARD test at the end

Preeto: and the more someone has ego, the HARDER the test

Preeto: that's why Dassan Dass ji had no tests like the others did

Preeto: because from day one he killed his doubts

SS Penji: recognising the tests is hard bhaji, No? sometimes you react then realise it later that it could had been a test

Preeto: you can say he had no doubts

Preeto: he said first time he met baba ji, he didn't see baba ji, but God himself, that is why he calls Baba ji "Maharaj Ji".

SS Penji: wow

Preeto: and no matter what others said or did in the sangat

Preeto: he only believed what baba ji said

SS Penji: good

Preeto: same way

Preeto: we had so many doubts/dubidha about baba ji

Preeto: but we always believed Dassan Dass ji

Preeto: and has got us thru all of our dubidha

Preeto: and when we got confused

Preeto: we just used to say to our mind "well why did you take on a guru if you are not going to listen to him?"

Preeto: and we have got thru the tests like that.

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: the simpler we are

Preeto: the less tests there are

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: tests are actually only there to show us our weaknesses

Preeto: what we still need to work on

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: so giving daswand shows a person how much greed and attachment there is still around their heart

Preeto: doing dandauth to others

Preeto: shows how much pride we still have to bow to god in others

SS Penji: bhaji we try to do everything with patience, like household things, taking care of guests, husband and daughter but sometimes when we get tired, we lose patience

Preeto: yes, you have 1 kid - wait till you have 3 - and an angry spouse!

SS Penji: hehe

Preeto: when your five these take over, you calm down and just do ardas afterwards, touch everyone's feet

Preeto: then next time it happens

Preeto: and you see you are losing patience

SS Penji: our husband is nice. he does simran too but for one hour. he never did that before. he helps us but still

Preeto: just take a deep breath, say Sat Naam

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: and even if you still get too angry

Preeto: just leave the room and cool down

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: then you slowly conquer your old habits

SS Penji: hanji

Preeto: now on a good day we can stay in the same place with kids crying, wife upset etc and just stay calm/quiet and say "god bless you" in our mind

Preeto: then talk to the kids one at a time

Preeto: listen to them

Preeto: cool everyone down!

Preeto: so when we learn to be calm our self in Sat Naam

Preeto: then other people's five thieves cannot aggravate our five thieves

Preeto: and instead our pace /naam amrit

Preeto: calms them down too.

Preeto: plus your daughter is 2

Preeto: so next 2 yrs she is going to be doing tantrums and demanding a lot

Preeto: gr8

Preeto: it's tough with 2-4r old

SS Penji: hanji