SatNaam Ji Ka Khalsa SatNaam Ji Kee Fateh!
Veer ji, the confusion arises only because you think NAAM= Name and hence as you have only one name, so should God.
But if you think of NAAM as the Ocean of Divinity, the presence of Truth, the living Cosmic Energy, the Divine Life Force, then you can understand better. This Divine Force is called the Naam, and it is real, true, it exists, it is Eternal Truth - SAT. You can become like a drop that is absorbed in it. You can merge with it when your ego disappears. So SAT NAAM is actually a description of this state of being. Infact Baba ji and Dassan Dass ji say that when you become one with it, then there is no more physical Name "Sat Naam" there is only SILENCE. Baba ji said that SILENCE is the highest. That
"Ik Onkar - SILENCE
Sat Naam - the game (creation) begins."
So silence is the highest state of being.
But to get to that highest state there is a journey through your mind under the influence of maya.
Baba ji himself knew nothing about Naam. But he had incredible bhagti from last lives and when that awoke within him, he heard God's voice which he said was the sweetest of all voices and it said to him "Naam Simran Karo" - Do Naam Simran.
He had no idea what Naam Simran was. But that one voice was like sun shining in a dark night and he completely wanted to sacrifice himself for it, like a moth goes to light. He despised all of his bad actions, he wanted to clean up everything inside himself for God had blessed him directly - GurParsaad.
So Baba ji thought - "O I should go to gurdwara to serve God" So he went and as he served, he just clicked his tongue, thinking that was the Naam. After years of serving and listening to the katha and kirtan, Baba ji eventually go intitated and was blessed with the shabad "Waheguru" and told it was the Naam. so he believed it and meditated upon that. As he went into deeper and deeper samadhis and srrendered to the love of theLord, he reached a state where God spoke to him and said "You can know go and start your own organisation and start giving the Panj Shabad Naam to your disciples. And the Panj Shabad Naam (five word name) was given to Baba ji by god and included baba ji's own name as well. But Baba ji had already seen his past lives during his years of bhagti and said to God full of love, "Why do I want to start another organistaion, I have seen I have started many before, this time I only want to know you completely." So Baba ji carried on his Samadhi and God came again and said to Baba ji "Do Simran on "Sat Naam" that is my primal Naam, the one I chose for myself. all other Names are created out of love by my Bhagats, but Sat is my primal original Naam."
So Baba ji meditated on "Sat Naam" . And His bhagti went so high that Baba ji said "the pebble(Baba ji) pierced the diamond(God)". Along the way even "Sat Naam" turned into "Sat Sat Sat". Baba ji said that actually "SAT" is pure and Primal Naam. Saying "Naam" after it, it just describing it. Like the divine word "SAT" is the flame and the word "NAAM" is the shadow.
Then after that even "Sat Sat Sat" turned into complete silence.
That is where Dassan Dass Ji resides as well.
We cannot even imagine it.
So Veer ji, this whole journey starts with GurParsaad - which ignites us. And we can get GurParsaad from someone who is already ignited and fully realised i.e. a Sant, a Guru, or in Baba ji's exceptional case, direct from God. Then they give us the praise name of their path , and there are many praise Names eg Ram, Waheguru, Har Har and so on. It doesnt really matter what they give us to start with. What matters is the GurParsaad they give us and the love and devotion we bring to it.
Then just as a stream flows down and gather speed and strength, and grows wider and stronger, then the Shabad that God wants you to meditate upon will keep changing. The ultimate is Sat Naam, followed by SAt SAT Sat and then silence, when the river merges into the ocean.
Dust of your feet
Harjit
2010/1/11 Gurprakash Singh
<gurprakashsingh@rocketmail.com>
Satnaam Jee Veer ji thanks for your reply. you did your best to solvemy problem. basically i want to know exactly what is a right path. you go to radha swami or nirankari etc. their spiritual head (guru ji) give naam to the person and that naam is not disclosed by the person. the question is not about disclosing of the naam. as baani says: naam amolak ratan hai pure satguru pass, satguru sev lagiya kad ratan deve pragas. sach sabad sach pati hove, bin naame mukat na paave koi, ben satguru ko naam na paave, prab aise banat banai he sant jinha mile bhaio, sacha naam samaal puraa satguru je mile, paeye sabad nidhaan sant duvaare jaye naam to ghar tab paave jin to mastak likhia tin payaa har naam anhad baani punji, santan hath rakhi kunji. above mentioned shlok/bani are from sggs ji. what i have learned from these shlok/bani (whether i learned wrong or right i dont know) that naam can be obtained from sadh (puran sant, sant, puran satguru) and that also cannot be obtained if you dont have destiny to receive it.. (jin to mastak likhia tin payaa har naam). the question of kind and generousity should not be there. my question is not about querrling about satnaam or naam. it is a healthy talk and it should be shared. if my name is gurprakash and some one tell you that my name is not gurprakash and my name is ramsevak. then either me is telling a lie or that person is telling a lie. sikhi is emerged since only 500 years back. the count (500) is very less in couting. all the things written in SGGS ji is not true after gurnanak dev ji plant a tree of spirituality. it is true since from the beggining of the world. i think it is not like that 10 guru came and they told us the different things. all the things exists before the come of all 10 guru. the naam exists before the beginning of world and will exists after it. and to take naam it should be in the same manner. (sach sabad sach pati hove, bin naame mukat na paave koi, ben satguru ko naam na paave, prab aise banat banai he). guru arjun dev ji is saying that naam only can be obtained from satguru and this thing is made by prab (khuda/akal purakh). hazrat sultan bahu sahib likhde ne: kalme (naam) di gal tad paisi (get acquinted) bahu jad murshid (sadh) kalma dasiya hu, sari umar vich kufar (false) di vich jaali (wasted), bin mushid (sadh) de dasiya hu sultan bahu was a famous punjabi sufi poet. i dont know whether you believe in sufism or not. everyone is said this thing.
you have written that your mother and majority of people is having this problem. this is not a problem mere veer. you think you are right and you made all other wrong.
Waiting for reply but you dont need to answer me if you think i am wrong. do the thing you think that is right.
Satnaam Jee VEER JI, I am replying to your post, I will try and answer your question, First of all, as you mentioned about the doubts you having, "DOUBT" itself is a major obstacle on this path of Spirituality, A majority of people stay lost because of these "DOUBTS", my mother also his this problem, may God bless her to overcome her doubts, Best thing to overcome these doubts is to seek Guidance and get Wisdom From a Puran Sant-Satguru, a God-realised soul, only such a soul can give you right wisdom and take away your doubts. Remember Guru is not physical body, Guru is the light of God that is present everywhere, so in true divine sense, all saints will say the same thing. What you gotta do is have strong faith and trust in him, Dont go from one place to another, it will only further make your doubts worster, as I personally went into this situation at one point in my life. You see There are number of True God-Realised Souls at this earth and they may give you or present you with Naam in a different manner, for example Sant Jee and Baba ji asks us to focus on"SATNAAM" because God's primal name is TRUTH and you may notice that usually most of the religion have used this word for the name of God, lets focus on Guru Granth Sahib Ji for a reason, it starts with EKONKAAR SATNAAM. Whatever naam it maybe, It will based to do with something with SAT - Truth. Some saints may test your devotion and eligibility by putting you through some tests before giving you Naam. In Dassan Das Ji's and Baba Ji's case, they are very kind so they give Naam to everyone that approaches them, however taking Naam means commitment, only take it if you are serious, otherwise dont bother, it will make things worster (I experienced this). Because God sends pain when we dont learn, but even that is for our own Good. However, important thing is when choosing your Guru is to make sure when you go to a Guru, see If you find peace in the presence of him, if you are inspired by his speeches, if he is able to clear your doubts, if he is free, from greed, anger, and lust, if he is selfless, loving, and I-less, ask your heart and listen to the heart, you will never go wrong. It is the mind that leads to confusion, so You have come to this Satnaam Groups so it maybe in your destiny for DASSAN DAS JI to be your GURU, however just listen to your heart and go for the saint you want to go for but make sure whoever you get NAAM off, you then commit yourself fully to him with total commitment, belief and dedication and devotion and love. Here are some articles that may help you: http://www..satnaam. info/index. php?option= com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=16 http://www.satnaam. info/index. php?option= com_content&task=view&id=143&Itemid=21 http://www.satnaam. info/index. php?option= com_content&task=category§ionid=2&id=14&Itemid=21 Hopefully this information helps you, please forgive me for any mistakes, we pray to God that your doubts are cleared and you are blessed with Naam, Bandgi and Seva.
To: satnaam@yahoogroups .com From: gurprakashsingh@ rocketmail. com Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 06:09:18 +0000 Subject: [Truth] Shabad
your satnaam group is very knowledgable about spirituality. Baba ji answers are very close to the heart. baba ji stressed on us to go to the sadh and give him (sadh) tan man dhan. but i have question and the question is whenever you go to any sadh, he will give his own Naam to the sevak and babaji also stress on "Satnaam". i have read many articles on Naam. i have question when we go to any sadh and receive his Naam then what should we do. either we stick ko his Naam or we stick to Satnaam or we can stick to both.
please do reply my question (duvida).
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