SS Penji: Satnaam bhaji
SS Penji: how are you ji
Preeto: good with guru ji's kirpa
Preeto: it's really nice to be able to speak to you!
Preeto: please accept our dandauth bandhna at your feet
SS Penji: hanji bhaji. nice to see you online. Dandauth bandana ji.
SS Penji: Bhaji we used to wake up at 3am earlier then today we woke up at 2 but feel sleepy in meditation. also Bhaji, because of the involuntary yoga, we feel we fail to concentrate on Satnaam simran. we keep listening to it like our own sounds but sometimes we are lost in the movements and somewhere else like sleep.
SS Penji: we feel something is missing in our meditation.
Preeto: it's all about learning about yourself
Preeto: then keep doing humble ardas when u don't understand
Preeto: and asking sat guru inside to guide us
SS Penji: hanji bhaji. you are right
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: bhaji I was a very simple person
SS Penji: v down to earth, loyal and clear hearted
Preeto: u still r
SS Penji: then when we went to the university in Punjab for higher studies, our friends used to tell us that we have to be smart not like this so simple, we got to understand the terms like jealous and all bad things that we never knew before. we did sins too. those sins now brought us to do more path and simran. we never thought we will come to this spiritual path, we did not know about it. now we love it and want to go ahead on this path ASAP.
Preeto: it's good to see the "smart" (dark side) of our self
Preeto: so we know our depths
Preeto: once we know hell state of mind
Preeto: then we never want to go back there
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
SS Penji: we want to go to Samadhi.
Preeto: yes
Preeto: and that happens when we surrender
Preeto: become nothing
Preeto: Satnaam SatGuru Ji' lotus feet become everything
SS Penji: trying our best bhaji
Preeto: same here
Preeto: trying our best too
Preeto: but we have realised it's not in our hands
Preeto: it's nothing to do with trying our best
SS Penji: bilkul bhaji. it will happen when God wants
Preeto: we can try our best and only end up getting frustrated when Samadhi doesn't happen
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
SS Penji: you are sat guru bhaji, we think you are one with God? Like Dassin Dass ji
Preeto: we are laughing alot right now!!!
SS Penji: hehe
Preeto: no we are so far from god!!!!
Preeto: every day we feel we are so far
SS Penji: oh ok.
Preeto: we don't know what we are
Preeto: baba ji and dassan dass ji tell us we are somewhere
Preeto: we share what comes to us with others on the emails
Preeto: and they have wonderful experiences or feel peace of mind
Preeto: we have our own struggles inside, so have enough gian to overcome them
SS Penji: ok.it has been many years for you on this path and you have been doing a lot of sacrifices for God as we read on the website
SS Penji: and we see that light on your face in the pictures, your face glows
Preeto: see we don't see that, we only see what's going on inside us!!
Preeto: actually we are very thankful to baba ji
Preeto: that we DONT see or feel or have all these amazing experiences
Preeto: that inside we feel we are in the dark
Preeto: because we know we would get too much ego
Preeto: bad have done so in the past
Preeto: and have seen others in sangat who experienced, and saw everything
SS Penji: oh ok bhaji got you. ego is so bad. it keeps coming back.
Preeto: but in the end thought they were bigger than sat guru
Preeto: yes
Preeto: ego is the last thing to go
Preeto: ego is there even when you have all your spiritual experiences
SS Penji: we are getting what you are saying. so we should always feel we know nothing even when you know something about your experiences
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: become zero
Preeto: if guru arjun dev ji, who knew everything and experienced everything, can say "meree mut thoree ram"
Preeto: - my wisdom is little
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: then we have to remember that too
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: baba ji always tells us , if anyone asks how far are you in bhagti, just say I am still at the beginning
Preeto: and it's not false modesty
Preeto: it's absolutely true
Preeto: because Satnaam is infinite
Preeto: and no matter how much we experience it will only be a tiny spec of what Satnaam is
SS Penji: Good you told us this, it will help us a lot. bhaji we had no zero when we were with our parents, we got it from the society when we left home and went to the univ. now it is hard to get rid of this ego.
Preeto: yes
Preeto: but its guru ji's blessing upon you that you realise what needs to be done
Preeto: gur bin gian na hoi
Preeto: gur bin samajh na aavay
Preeto: gur bin ghor andhaar
Preeto: without guru we would not have any understanding of this thing called ego
Preeto: and what to do about it
SS Penji: hanji bhaji, god has been helping us a lot. Bhaji we were simple and down to earth till we got married. these bad things evolved after the marriage. The last 5-6 years were bad.
Preeto: yes
Preeto: we went thru similar things
Preeto: important thing is where you are right now
Preeto: past has gone
Preeto: future hasn't happened
Preeto: only thing that is important is this moment
Preeto: and when we say Satnaam
Preeto: we bring the mind into awareness of SATNAAM right here right now in between us in this moment
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: all MAYA is is your perception
Preeto: like it's a sunny day outside
Preeto: all is bright and beautiful
Preeto: but you put on sunglasses
Preeto: and now everything looks brownish
Preeto: Satnaam is all around
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: in everything - trees, air, water, rocks, space, fire , earth - everything is HIM, HIS NAAM supports everything
Preeto: and also HIS NAAM , is supporting us
Preeto: but our mind is like the sunglasses
Preeto: Maya is the brownish colour we see everything with
Preeto: so when mind is seeing everything Maya glasses
SS Penji: hanji bhaji.
Preeto: then we don't see bright and beautiful SATNAAM
Preeto: we see other people and things as separate from our self
Preeto: then we judge others
Preeto: then we can slander, get jealous, compete, get greedy, get lustful etc. etc.
Preeto: tu tu - ma ma
SS Penji: bhaji we have one daughter, she will be 2 on 29th. can we still keep doing meditation if we get pregnant
Preeto: yes
Preeto: why not
SS Penji: but the yoga moves your body a lot will that be safe
Preeto: Satnaam is the creator
Preeto: and doer
Preeto: don't worry
Preeto: let Him worry
SS Penji: hanji bhaji. he does everything. sure bhaji
Preeto: right now there is a Penji
Preeto: in Toronto
Preeto: D Penji
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: she had same experiences as you are 2 yrs ago when we went to see baba ji
Preeto: she had so many doubts about sants etc
Preeto: but her husband H paji met us thru the email and trusted baba ji
Preeto: so she came to sangat when we went there 2 yrs ago
Preeto: baba ji blessed her with one look of amrit
Preeto: she couldn't stop dancing and yoga moves (Samadhi Asans)
Preeto: it was very painful for her
Preeto: because she had been off 2yrs from work after car crash with physical problems
Preeto: but she completely healed
Preeto: and we saw her again a few weeks ago
Preeto: she is pregnant, we think her Asians have stopped mostly (its only for a time you are being cleaned up and balanced inside)
Preeto: and now she has amazing experiences with the unborn baby
Preeto: baby is in Samadhi, baby is moving
Preeto: she can hear the baby doing simran
Preeto: and baba ji said baby is also doing Samadhi Asians, that is the movements inside
Preeto: so don't worry about anything
Preeto: naam takes care of everything
Preeto: see it all as a wonderful adventure
Preeto: new things happen everyday
SS Penji: that's so beautiful
Preeto: things we can't even imagine, He will show us when we are ready
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
SS Penji: bhaji can we ask something
Preeto: ok
SS Penji: do you go to smadhis.
Preeto: not Samadhi asans like you
Preeto: but we have been in Samadhi and are heart opened up, and baba ji was on the other side
Preeto: our arms raised up
Preeto: it was very beautiful
Preeto: we have had our experiences spread over last 25 yrs
Preeto: so our energies are more balanced because of that
Preeto: but when people come into baba ji's sangat
Preeto: and they haven't done anything spiritual all there life
Preeto: then the Naam Amrit is very powerful and they go on the fast track - fast cycle of the washing machine!!!
Preeto: that's how we see it!!
Preeto: they get cleaned up quickly, have lots of experiences very quickly, but also big tests come for them very quickly,
Preeto: and most fail
Preeto: because they haven't trusted baba ji 100%
Preeto: so there ego fights back
Preeto: and they fall back.
SS Penji: ok, we are in the asan but not in the Samadhi. wen yoga/asans happen, we are very awake that time so it is not Samadhi. we read about dassan das ji it was opposite to us. he went to samadhis then he had the yoga later on. bhaji this yoga is so beautiful.
Preeto: same with D Penji
SS Penji: ok.
Preeto: she was wide awake and body is moving,
Preeto: very gracefully , blessing everyone
SS Penji: we are waiting for the next stage now. once the yoga is over.
Preeto: it is waking Samadhi
SS Penji: oh ok
SS Penji: like awakened Samadhi
SS Penji: you are on both sides like in world and Samadhi both?
Preeto: all Samadhi means is you have merged
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: so happy
Preeto: so you have merged with your own soul
Preeto: gone thru the barrier of the mind/ego
Preeto: first baba ji says we need to learn to do that by sitting down, disciplined amritvela, throw out all the negativity,
SS Penji: but we see ego in our daily activities . we find it here and there
Preeto: yes, ego is always there too
Preeto: sense of self always comes back
Preeto: like when you sit on a sofa and for a while it changes shape
Preeto: but when you get up it goes back to how it was
Preeto: when you do Satnaam
Preeto: you feel peace and love and go into Samadhi if he blesses us
Preeto: but when you come back into day to day life
Preeto: then ego , mind etc come back
Preeto: so the whole aim of your bandagi is to 100% decimate the ego
SS Penji: hanji bhaji.
Preeto: strip away every aspect of yourself that keeps you away from being merged with your soul/SAT 100%
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: so during the day, every experience you have
Preeto: ask yourself, what 5 thieves were in it, what ego was in it, what worries/jealousies etc were in it?
Preeto: and then keep doing ardas and throwing them out
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: every fear , or worry, attachment etc that comes up is thanks to the day to day life you are living
SS Penji: we keep doing ardas for maafi for our paaps and mistake to baba ji.
Preeto: so daily life is showing us what we need to still work on
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: and that is why we say every day we have our own struggles
Preeto: but we take the guru's gian
Preeto: and overcome those struggles
Preeto: and come back to peace and love
Preeto: and that is called BANDAGI
Preeto: that is how we EARN the GIAN
SS Penji: ok bhaji.
Preeto: then we can share it with others, only once we have done it.
Preeto: then it has power in it
SS Penji: hanji bilkul
Preeto: then it transforms other when they listen and apply it to themself also
Preeto: and opposite is true
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: preachers who haven't earned it
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: but just keep singing it and talking about gurbani and telling nice stories
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: don't transform anyone
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: because their own mind is not transformed
SS Penji: coz of those we slander the real ones too
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: it becomes difficult to recognize the real and fake
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: they are so common in India
Preeto: but you can't recognise from outside anyway
SS Penji: but in these countries whoever is is true
SS Penji: hanji bilkul
Preeto: you have to pay from inside to god
Preeto: with all your heart
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: to meet your Sant SatGuru
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and then trust whoever He sends
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: but most people are praying for worldly things and problems to be fixed
SS Penji: hanji hanji
SS Penji: that's what we were thinking yesterday
Preeto: so they attract the preachers/"sants" who fulfil those wishes
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: jo mangay takur apanay te soee soee devay
SS Penji: so bhaji we need Sant sat guru?
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: what do you think?
Preeto: you have seen life without blessings of Dassan Dass ji
Preeto: and you have seen life after blessings of Dassan Dass ji
Preeto: did you need Sant sat guru?
SS Penji: not clear bhaji. Dassan Dass ji blessed me?
Preeto: when did the changes happen to you?
SS Penji: it happened when we read meanings of sukhmani sahib, we started doing naam simran and we don't remember if we hit the Satnaam website that time or afterwards.
SS Penji: can dassan das ji tell us if he is our sat guru
Preeto: so something happened all around the time you came to the website
Preeto: its even only by GurParsaad anyone comes to the website
Preeto: grace has already started in order to get you there!
Preeto:
SS Penji: hanji bhaji, we started doing naam simran and searching on website more and more about this. before coming to Satnaam website, we were reading realsikhism.com
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: so something happened inside you to make you search
SS Penji: hanji bhaji bilkul
Preeto: that is called god's grace
Preeto: GurParsaad
Preeto: without it no one can get anywhere
Preeto: no matter how hard they try, inner doors won't open
SS Penji: ok bhaji. those days gave us a lot of information.
SS Penji: baba ji made us to find more and more
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: now we got all of you. we are so blessed
Preeto: first people are stuck in ego, selfishness, worldly pleasures etc
Preeto: then something happens and they want to find god
Preeto: so they get religious - dharam khand
Preeto: they enter into realm of trying to unite with God
Preeto: (dharam really means path to Union with God, but people translate as religion)
SS Penji: that's exactly what happened with us
Preeto: then next stage is to understand
Preeto: so you start doing nitnem, prayers, listen to gurbani, katha , kirtan etc
Preeto: ..collecting the gian - divine wisdom
Preeto: gian khand - realm of spiritual wisdom
SS Penji: hanji bhaji we listen to maskeen ji's katha, read GGSJ and kirtan sohila
Preeto: all good, all is gian khand
Preeto: then a person thinks, "now I need to make some serious efforts"
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: try my best (as you said earlier)
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: that's called saram khand
Preeto: realm of efforts
SS Penji: oh ok
Preeto: so people get up early, do nitnem
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: go to gurdwara do seva
Preeto: do more and more
Preeto: get more serious,
Preeto: try harder
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: follow more religious rules
Preeto: get very strict
Preeto: about what they eat, what they wear, where they go, etc etc
Preeto: make really hard and serious efforts
SS Penji: this all comes under saram khand r? what next, what's karma khand
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: yes and yes
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: but without grace that is as far as they get
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: our own effort can get us only this far
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: sure, people can get psychic powers
Preeto: from their concentration and determination
Preeto: they can look like a great Sikh/Muslim etc
Preeto: they can get a lot of respect from community
Preeto: they can become president of gurdwara or worldwide famous preacher too
Preeto: but still only in saram khand
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: we went thru the same thing
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: but only a few go to kharam khand
Preeto: kharam means grace
Preeto: realm of grace
SS Penji: what's next to saram khan is karam khand and that we get with grace. what happens in karam khand
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: means God inside you sees you are really doing a lot of good deeds
Preeto: and have cut out bad deeds
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and you are really praying from the heart to be with god,
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: in fact you are so desperate that you don't even want to live anymore without God
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: that you would rather die than be without god any longer
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: only then, and only if you have good destiny from the past, you will be blessed by god with His grace - GurParsaad
Preeto: and He will lead you to the nearest (karmically) heart in which He has manifested
Preeto: in order to ignite you with the GurParsaad of Naam.
SS Penji: so you won't get it if your pat lives were bad or you can still get it if God wants to
Preeto: yes and yes
Preeto: bhaag hoa gur sant milaayaa
Preeto: bhaag means your destiny was good and you met the Sant guru
Preeto: and bin bhaagaa sat sangat na labaay
Preeto: without bhaag - good destiny - you won't find the sangat of Truth
Preeto: so whole world is making so much effort to find god
SS Penji: oh bhaji we are too far then. we don't know if we will get God in this life or not
Preeto: but only relatively few will get the grace
Preeto: to meet their Sant guru who then blesses them with GurParsaadi Naam.
Preeto: Because unless we have done enough good deeds in the past, god will make us wait, no matter how much effort we are making, because that is His divine law.
Preeto: you are at kharam khand stage
Preeto: Sant guru has blessed you, that is why you are experincing Samadhi and asans
Preeto: that is why Dassan Dass ji called you "suhagan"
Preeto: suhaag means you have been accepted by god as a bride (suhaagan)
Preeto: Sant Guru is the middleman of this divine wedding
SS Penji: thank you so much for letting us know of our stage bhaji. and about our sant guru ji.
Preeto: suhagan means your engagement ceremony has been done!
SS Penji:
SS Penji: oh so the yoga started after directly or indirectly we got in touch with dassan das ji. wow
Preeto: means Sant Guru has prayed to God on your behalf and god doesn't say No to his believed Sant and has opened your inner door to your heart, so you can have these union experiences with Satnaam
Preeto: now you have to go from kharam khand to sach khand
Preeto: from suhagan to sada suhagan
SS Penji: dassan das ji is so nice. we am a fool bhaji.
Preeto: from realm of grace to realm of Truth
Preeto: dassan dass ji will never tell you he is your sat guru
Preeto: !!!
SS Penji: ok bhaji. we need more and more devotion now
Preeto: He will only say he is the lowest servant of yours
SS Penji: he is so nice
Preeto: dassan dass means slave of god's slaves
Preeto: that is why we have to look inside our elf to see if he is our sant guru
SS Penji: hanji bhaji. thanks bhaji for all this information
SS Penji: you helped us to find this
Preeto: that is why we were asking you to look at how your life has changed before and after the website
SS Penji: now we think yoga started when we sense dassan das ji somewhere on net
SS Penji: we got yoga: that was the change
SS Penji: we cld not find that
Preeto: because all of the writings on the website have been earned
Preeto: that is why they are called GURPARSAADI writings
SS Penji: hanji bhaji we understand
Preeto: just by coming to the website, a pure soul, will be ignited
Preeto: Om Kumar ji, same thing happened with him
Preeto: just opening the website he felt something happen inside him, then he too went into Samadhi asans and has gone to sach khand too
Preeto: just thru website
Preeto: only afterwards he met dassan dass ji in person (a few yrs ago)
Preeto: pls read his experiences
Preeto: so all is good, all is god, and you will finish your journey in this lifetime
SS Penji: bhaji we read about Om ji too. hanji
Preeto: otherwise we wouldn't be talking!!!
SS Penji: should we meet dassan das ji in person too
Preeto: only because we have vad-bhaag we have met and talked about SAT
Preeto: you will physically meet Dassan Dass ji as per destiny
SS Penji: bhaji we can finish it in this life, seriously?
Preeto: but you meet him spiritually every time you do Satnaam
Preeto: because the Sant guru who has blessed you
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: is always with you in the form of gur-Jot
Preeto: guru-slight
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: gurus-light
SS Penji: it's so great and beautiful
Preeto: that is why you experience light
Preeto: light is what your guru looks like on the inside, on the others die
Preeto: other side
Preeto: prabh jot prabh naam
SS Penji: bhaji we think we saw the light before we sensed dassan das ji, not sure, can't even recall well
Preeto: and that light will take the shape of blessed souls in your Samadhi
SS Penji: we remember we saw light once, we thought it was god then we saw two lights yesterday for some time but after a long time. the first light we saw was on nov 1st.
Preeto: to show you you are on the right path and keep on going
Preeto: those lights are divine souls coming to bless you
SS Penji: sweet
Preeto: because blessed attracts blessed souls
Preeto: pure attracts pure
Preeto: negative attracts negative
Preeto: law of attraction
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: become so pure you attract SATNAAM himself
SS Penji: god bless me
SS Penji: we will try our best
Preeto: "we will try our best with His blessings"
Preeto: we can't do anything without his blessings
SS Penji: thank you bhaji. when we say Satnaam to our daughter she says No. we don't like that
SS Penji: s is our daughter's name
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: she says No to Satnaam sometimes
Preeto: that's ok
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: kids go thru stages
Preeto: of saying NO
SS Penji: but she folds hands to katha gurbani
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and then asking WHY
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: kids are going into MAYA
SS Penji: not good
SS Penji: have to keep her away from this
Preeto: excitement, colours, enjoyment of this body they have got
Preeto: we are tired of MAYA so are trying to come out
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we can't force it on kids to be at our stage
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: but we can make a nice environment so they stay peaceful and happy
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and just by you being divine and bright and calm and peaceful
Preeto: that IS Satnaam
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: you don't need to say it
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: because you have to become it
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and others around you will
Preeto: automatically feel it too
Preeto: feel your peace
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: feel love emanating from you
SS Penji: our husband says we have changed a lot
Preeto: see!
Preeto: same happened with us
Preeto: we thought wife and parents and everyone is always aggravating us
Preeto: when we stopped preaching to them about Satnaam
Preeto: (they didn't like living guru )
SS Penji: we were too emotional and looking for love all the time then we realized the true love we were looking for is God not any human relation or being.
Preeto: and just became peaceful, became Satnaam,
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and gave up trying to convince them or teach them
Preeto: and prayed to god for them
Preeto: sarbaatt da bhalaa
SS Penji: ok bhaji. very right
Preeto: then to our amazement
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: they all cooled down
Preeto: stopped arguing
SS Penji: see
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: became peaceful too
Preeto: !!!
Preeto: see how it works
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: Satnaam & the website gian and gurbani and kirtan
Preeto: are just all to transform us into divine light divine love
SS Penji: there is a lot to read on the website.
Preeto: others who are in darkness will just benefit by us being in the light
Preeto: each of us becomes a light house for those around us
SS Penji: so beautiful
Preeto: is somebody asks us more, we can share with them the naam & gian
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: , but a 2yr old, or work colleagues or family members, or gurdwara community, mostly they DONT want to know
Preeto: because it's not their time yet
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: and this is as per our BHAAG only
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: no matter how much you may want it for others
Preeto: but one thing does change our bhaag
Preeto: and that is humble ardas/benti to sant guru
SS Penji: hanji bilkul bhaji, they won't get it till their time comes
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: they put in a good word for us with god, he opens the door to our heart even if it wasn't written in this life time
Preeto: namdev ji and triclochan ji used to pray together
Preeto: and triclochan ji was desperate to see God so he requested namdev ji to pray for him
Preeto: and god laughed saying it wasn't written for triclochan ji to see yet
Preeto: but god said I cannot say no to my bhagats/lovers
Preeto: and gave his darshan to triclochan ji.
Preeto: so that is why doing seva of a Sant helps us more than we ever will know
Preeto: because we fall in love with their lotus feet
Preeto: sat guru kee seva sufal ha
Preeto: je ko karay chit laai
Preeto: and what was all messed up in our life, gets straightened out
Preeto: because of their love for us
Preeto: through effort no one found God
Preeto: He is the Almighty, All powerful all pervading
Preeto: how can a tiny speck of dust called a human possibly command god to appear?
SS Penji: beautiful stories and good teachings for us bhaji
Preeto: but through complete surrender, complete love, complete humility , baba ji said "a pebble (Baba ji) pierced the diamond/SAT"
SS Penji: we will save this chat
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so Baba ji said he is holding onto god's feet
Preeto: and when we get Naam from them, we are holding onto His feet
Preeto: and Sant SatGuru is a tunnel to God for all of us
SS Penji: bhaji dassan das ji can give us naam or he gave it already. we are fool. we don't know
Preeto: you already got it
Preeto: otherwise you wouldnt be in kharam khand experiencing Samadhi asans and being called a suhaagan!!!!
Preeto:
SS Penji: so now how can we do sewa for dassan das ji as he's physically away
Preeto: do everything with attitude of seva for your Sant Guru
Preeto: see Dassan Dass ji in your daughter
Preeto: as you feed her and change her
Preeto: in your husband
Preeto: in you work colleagues
Preeto: in the cashier at the supermarket
Preeto: in the trees, in the wind, in the sun
SS Penji: ok, we were trying to see God in all these so now we have to replace god with dassan das ji
Preeto: no
SS Penji: will dassan das ji realize our sewa to him?
Preeto: your connection is with SATNAAM
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: but you see SATNAAM in Dassan Dass ji
SS Penji: we have to feel and see god and dassan das ji both while doing all these ?
Preeto: you build you love for SATNAAM by serving Him in the form of Dassan Dass ji
SS Penji: ok
SS Penji: got it bhaji
Preeto: your whole connection is with SATNAAM
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: in the form of the SANT he blessed you as
Preeto: because their holy feet have to saturate your heart
Preeto: that is the tunnel
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: that is they key
SS Penji: such a great information
Preeto: vus ray hirdha gur charan pyare
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: may my heart be saturated with my beloved Guru's holy feet
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so we go out
SS Penji: we are so lucky
Preeto: and we see the sun
Preeto: and we say "Satnaam SatGuru Ji you shine brighter than all the suns,
Preeto: you shine equally on everyone
Preeto: please take away all our darkness and shine inside our heart"
Preeto: that is called sift salah
Preeto: praising God as you go about your life
Preeto: we see a tree
Preeto: and say "Satnaam SatGuru Baba ji you are like this tree firm in the ground of Truth giving shelter, shade and fruit to all, may we always stay in your charan sharan - shelter of your lotus feet."
Preeto: See how to praise Satnaam in the form of SatGuru ?
Preeto: Then you make your connection of divine with Satnaam SatGuru in your heart, mind, body and soul.
SS Penji: bhaji we want to tell you something, in the beginning we had bad feeling about you, we were meditating always with your meditation music in the background. once someone said what's hypnotising. then we thought bad about you that if you're a true person or hypnotising. this feeling made us very upset that we thought like this about you. God made it clear to us that you are true and attached us more to you with better faith. We were fool bhaji. please forgive us.
Preeto: When we sit for simran we say "Satnaam SatGuru Baba ji, may we love your lotus feet, like Bhai Lehna ji loved Baba Nanak ji."
Preeto: there's nothing good about us!
Preeto: but always we have to look inside us and see where the thoughts are coming from
Preeto: mind has three parts
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: Shiva, brahma and Vishnu
Preeto: destructive energy, desiring/creating energy, neutral
SS Penji: ok, we did not know that either
Preeto: so whenever we try and do something positive, there will always be a negative thought in the background too
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: whenever we try and believe in something
Preeto: there will always be a thought saying negative, questioning you
Preeto: that is called dubidha
Preeto: or double mindedness
SS Penji: bhaji please menu maaf kar deo. we thought as some people are fake.
Preeto: and its really tough to get out of it
SS Penji: we trust you bhaji
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: just forgive yourself
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: first mind brings in the dubidha
Preeto: then it makes you feel bad
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: then it makes you feel guilty
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: --mind has lots of tricks from the Shiva side!!!
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: so you just have to recognise what mind is doing and say" ok mind, you are on the destructive side, "
Preeto: then you let it go
Preeto: say Satnaam
Preeto: come back to neutral
Preeto: and peace
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: and sometimes
Preeto: mind will start dreaming about doing this or that
Preeto: and you have to realise what mind is doing
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and step back and say "ok mind you are now in brahma side, , right now I need to do my Satnaam, can dream later!!"
Preeto: and say Satnaam and come back to neutral, Satnaam, peace
Preeto: these are called three parts of Maya
Preeto: they run the three parts of the mind
SS Penji: such a good information again
Preeto: when you do good deeds and Satnaam
Preeto: you are in neutral part
Preeto: and then with grace
Preeto: you transcend into Samadhi (heart part)
Preeto: that is called chautha pad
Preeto: fourth state,.
Preeto: so that is why dassan dass ji says do at least 2.5hrs at amritvela
Preeto: first 2 hrs is just to get into neutral (on this earth as he says)
Preeto: then you transcend (go beyond).
SS Penji: ok bhaji, we complete 2-2.5 hrs then start thinking about going to the cosy bed. s also sleeps by 10.
Preeto: you are doing great
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: just always have thirst for god in your heart
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: and He will make your situation perfect to do more and longer simran
Preeto: kinka ek jis jee basaavaa
Preeto: ta kee mehmaa gunee na aavaa
Preeto: the one who even has one iota of Naam in their heart
Preeto: that one's glory can not be described
Preeto: -sukhmani.
Preeto: see the relaxation is hypnotising
Preeto: but all hypnotizing means is it is letting your conscious mind relax
Preeto: (the Shiva and brahma part)
Preeto: so you can go to the subconscious
Preeto: deeper part of yourself and heal yourself
SS Penji: then we think we should feel good about them coz you never know at what stage of spiritual journey they are at.
Preeto: yes, always feel good about them
Preeto: only think good for others
Preeto: pray for sarbaat da bhalla
SS Penji: they are very happy with us that we do simran now. they always wanted us to do this
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: just ask them, "am I getting better or worse by doing this?"
Preeto: that is what we used to say to our family too
Preeto: then they went quiet.
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: we got to go
Preeto: just say at least we are not drinking or smoking, or partying or taking drugs
Preeto: we are only doing meditation and yoga!!!
SS Penji: we don't want to but its lunch time. thanks a lot bhaji for chatting with us and giving us the greatest information
Preeto: even 10 million white Americans are doing meditation and yoga now!!!
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: but don't let them put you off
Preeto: we used to get annoyed and angry
Preeto: with our wife and parents
Preeto: then we realised it is only Guru in them
Preeto: who is testing us!!!
Preeto: it only bothered you because you still have doubts inside yourself
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so we started realising when our wife says something and it annoys us
Preeto: rather than thinking she is my enemy
Preeto: we realised she is our best friend
Preeto: because of her I can see there is still ego inside me which is getting angry
Preeto: otherwise I was sitting in the illusion that I am all spiritual now!!!
Preeto: so that is why we say
Preeto: see Baba ji in others too
Preeto: so when you realise whatever they say
Preeto: is actually your guru testing you
Preeto: seeing how much doubts, anger, ego etc you still have inside you
Preeto: then you smile and say in your mind
Preeto: "je gur jirkay ta meeta lagay"
Preeto: even if the guru tells me off - it is sweet to me"
Preeto: on this path everyone in this world will turn against you at some point
Preeto: but you just have to keep going, they throw stones
Preeto: you throw flowers of kind words
Preeto: because like a mother
Preeto: you know the Truth
Preeto: and they are in the darkness
Preeto: but when you get to the other side
Preeto: they will also change
Preeto: but what majority of sangat do when people turn against them
Preeto: is they go back into the darkness
Preeto: lose faith in their guru and forget all the inner experiences they had
Preeto: so pls don't forget
Preeto: trust in your heart
Preeto: even if it means family and friends etc turn against you for a while
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: bhaji
Preeto: because if you had no ego
Preeto: then nothing they say would bother you
Preeto: so become like the sun
SS Penji: how do you know we can get mukti in this life as you said
Preeto: it shines bright no matter if someone swears at it or praises it!
Preeto: you can get mukti if you keep on going
Preeto: as you are
Preeto: honouring your guru's words
Preeto: earning them
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: and holding onto their feet no matter what happens
Preeto: you are going in the right direction
SS Penji: we will try the best. you have given us a lot more strength today
Preeto: god bless you ji
Preeto: we have to go now
Preeto: Satnaam ji
Preeto: dandauth bandhna ji
SS Penji: thank you so much bhaji
Preeto: Satnaam
Preeto: love and blessing to you and your family too.
SS Penji: Satnaam ji. dandauth bandhna ji. thanks for your time.
FOLLOW UP EMAILS:
FROM M:
Satnaam ji dandauth bandana Preeto ji
Very well said. Whenever my mind overpowers my heart you send something to bring it bank on track. Sometimes I feel as what you email is just for my mind, just to let it know that it is nothing and has to stay nothing. Satnaam is every thing. Your emails provide lot of motivation to be back on the right track. For the past few days anger, frustration is all we have had in our mind and life, anger towards son, frustration towards husband. And then later in lot of regret that why we shouted at the little one. But this mind is very bad, plays games, tries to keep us busy in maya and laughs at us.
What to do veerji. How to get out of this cycle of anger, frustration and regret. Going through a bad phase of maya dominating satnaam, can't tolerate it any more.
Satnaam ji.
REPLY FROM PREETO:
Satnaam ji dandauth bandana M ji,
we are no different frm you, destructive/depressing side of the mind can take over sometimes, really strong and last for ages. At those times we have often given up amritvela and gone back into comforts from Maya - overeating, too much tv, etc, but there's no happiness in that either. So what choice do we have? To go back into Satnaam. And thati s what we are 100% determined about now, that we CANNOT miss our 2,5 hrs amritvela, no matter what mind is feeling. Because "satnaam satnaam" is the only thing that cools our mind, not comfort of Maya, not getting angry at others, not getting angry or depressed due to wallowing in self-pity, complaining about how things never happened as we wanted, feeling like a failure, confused about what to do in the future.
KAL TATHEE TANDA HAR NAO
This Dark Age is HOT
God's Name is cool.
-Guru Arjun Dev ji.
It is as simple as that, mind cools down when we do our 2.5hrs simran every day, ESPECIALLY when we are at our lowest point. That is all we know. That is the same answer Dassan Dass ji gives to every single person who emails with problems, sicknesses, worries, anxieties, desires and so on.
It has taken this THICK-HEAD a very long imte to understand HOW TRULY SIMPLE this path is. Just do SATNAAM SATNAAM, 2.5 hrs every morning with attitude of humblness and thanks at Sant Guru Ji's holy lotus feet. And all day long keep doing the daily ardas every 10 minutes, to bring mind back to coolness. When we do something we regret, right away do ardas for forgivness and do satnaam again. when we feel mind is gettin upset again, stop take a few breaths, do ardas, cool down, do satnaam, Do humble ardas all the time during the day, do 2_5 hrs amritvela every morning. Our mind has been slowly transformed by donig this, and still we are so dumb we get back into down days as well, but come out if it very quickly, rather than after months and years of feeling down.
When you get upset with others and realise afterwards then do dandauth bandhna at their feet and see Baba ji inside them.
When you see Baba ji inside them, then you will never get upset with them again!
God bless all.
REPLY FROM M:
What we don't understand is that the only thing we want from the bottom of our heart is satnaam, it's Simran and bandaging the why this mind forces us to go find happiness in false worldly pleasures. And see what we get from these worldly pleasures, only sorrow, anger, frustration and unhappiness. Our only ardaas to Babaji is to take this dirty mind of maya away and throw it somewhere that we can never find it even if we want to.
I am néech, kaami, krodhi, ahankaari, lobhi. See what this mind is doing, listening to Babaji satsang singing satnaam the whole day but still stuck in maya. I am the lowest of all beings in his whole world, worthy of nothing. Babaji please give some place in your Charan.
Satnaam ji
REPLY FROM PREETO:
See what you are learning is that it doesn't matter what "I want", even "I WANT SATNAAM" is still ego wanting. And what you are finding is that mind is not doing what "I WANT". Mind is still doing what it (ego) wants. Why? Because you have to take responsibility for the state of your mind. That your mind has become in such a state due to all of your past experiences, past choices, past actions, past reactions, self wisdom, desires, emotions, hopes, wants, jealousies, gossiping, slander, anger, greed, lust, attachment, self-pity, self hatred, complaints, anxiety, worries . . . and whatever else we have sown. In simple terms what we have sown in our mind, we are now reaping in how it reacts to everything. As a teenager, maybe we got rejected by someone we were really in love with, it hurt us emotionally, we decided that we will never trust anyone again. So next time in life we have the chance to love someone, we turn away, close our heart just to protect ourself. Result is over time, we become closed off, lonely and miserable. So as an old person we dont even remember why we dont like being near people!! but we sowed that decison into ourself as a young person and now its become an automatic reaction to everyone we meet. so then we meet Baba ji and he inspires us to trust people again, to love othes, to love Satnaam. Then we decide we will do satnaam with love for one and all. But mind has been trained by us over a lifetime to do the opposite, and mind is set in its ways (bad habits), so mind is going to rebel everyime you try to change.
So it doesn't matter how much "I WANT SATNAAM", mind is not going to give up that easily to your new want. KARMA is basically the state of your mind, you reaping what you have sown in every thought , action and decision you make. Baab ji explained to us also that to undo that is going to take some time!!! So that is why firstly we have to accept our misdeeds, that we are responsible for our own messed up mind, become humble, do ardas, and do simran with attitude of humble beggar.
God bless all.
REPLY FROM M:
Very true veerji. Makes sense. Will try out best.
Dandauth Bandhana to Babaji, dassan das ji, Preeto ji and to the whole sangat ji.
Dandauth Bandhana to Babaji, dassan das ji, Preeto ji and to the whole sangat ji.
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