Preeto: satnaam penji
Preeto: dandauth bandhna ji
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SS Penji: ok ok hanji he (husband) will help us. we depend so much on him
Preeto: become independent
Preeto: only depend on satnaam
Preeto: we try and teach our kids to to take responsibility and to do things themselves too
Preeto: dont want them to depend on us all the time
SS Penji: ok bhaji. may be we do not want to learn more as earlier learning made us a mayadhari person
SS Penji: we were very independent before marriage
Preeto: nothnig wrong with learning
Preeto: by independent we dont men selfish
Preeto: egotistical
Preeto: stubborn
Preeto: "its my life I do what i want" kind of attitude
SS Penji: hanji thas bad
Preeto: we mean only take support of satnaam inside
Preeto: whatever we do we take support of satnaam
Preeto: sacha naam mera adharo
SS Penji: bhaji learning duniyadari this attitude came itself. we want to shed this off so
Preeto: you dont shed it by withdrawing from life
SS Penji: we were a v simple person and want to become the same. we want to erase all the bad learning we got from our society from our mind
Preeto: you shed it by putting satnaam first and then doing it
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: like baba ji's wife, Mata ji, said
Preeto: that when she cooks
Preeto: she just says "sachay patsha what shall we cook today"
Preeto: then gets a feeling and cooks that
SS Penji: so nice
Preeto: and baba ji said when he was coming home he was thinking "sachay patsha what shall we eat tonight, and het got the feeling "pinnia"
Preeto: so he gets home and there is smoe other sabzee in the plate
Preeto: and he says thankyou satchay patsha
Preeto: no complaints
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and then his wife says - o by the way i mixed in some pinnia too!
Preeto:
SS Penji: so beautiful
Preeto: otherwise in worldy life
Preeto: wife cooks the food
Preeto: rushing rushing
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: thinking "i always have to cook!" (complaint)
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: husband comes home thinking "I want to eat fish and chips"
Preeto: but there's only indian food made
SS Penji: when you cook thinking of satnam you cook it with love
Preeto: so he says "you always make indian food!"
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: - another complaint
Preeto: then argument starts
Preeto: "well you cook it yourself!
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we complained many times
Preeto: just shows negtive state of mind
SS Penji: if we count them self realizing they are many a day
Preeto: always anger sittin under the surface
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so we had to overcome it with baba ji's gian
Preeto: sto complaining, start accepting, being thankful
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: come home do dandauth to everyone in the kitchen
Preeto: if we feel anger coming up
Preeto: then breathe in, let it go, say satnaam satguru ji, may we see only you
Preeto: did it everyday for many months
Preeto: then mind changed
Preeto: but for someone else like you, that's not a test
Preeto: because you said you cook it with love anyway
SS Penji: we started it recently only
Preeto: gd
SS Penji: all because of you and dassan das ji
Preeto: yes and we changed because of satnaam baba ji
Preeto: so it took dhan dhan baba ji's sacrifice, complete surrender to live frm heart only
SS Penji: satnam babaji is so powerful bhaji
Preeto: and he has opened the door to so many other's heart too.
Preeto: yes, we cannot say how powerful he is
Preeto: it is INFINITE DIVINE POWER
SS Penji: we listen to him also, we want to meet Dassan Dass ji
Preeto: always do benti
Preeto: do daily ardas
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: gurdev sangat prabh meyl kar kirpa hum moor papee jit lag taraa
Preeto: please be kind and give me sangat of the divine guru, so that a foolish sinner like me can be ferried across
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we do it in our ardas for yrs and yrs
Preeto: God makes it come true at the right time and place
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: jo mangay takur soee soee devay – whatever you ask for god gives you
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: just we have to be patient
Preeto: may take days, may take years,
Preeto: but He gives to everyone
Preeto: what they want
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: but by wanting worldly things
Preeto: we only stay trapped in maya
Preeto: but we keep asking for it
Preeto: so He keeps giving it to us
Preeto: so when we use gurbani to do our ardas
Preeto: or pray for naam, seva, bandagi , dust of sants feet etc
Preeto: He also gives us that
SS Penji: hanji thas a good thing we re learned bhaji.
Preeto: but that will free us from Maya.
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: bhaji
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: we try to listen to satnaam word doing meditation and imagining our forehead on dassan das ji's feet. it was not working for us before like we were failing to focus but it was good this morning
Preeto: ok
SS Penji: we did go to that comfortable sleep but very late
Preeto: dont ever try to make it happen
SS Penji: no bhaji
SS Penji: its all automatic
Preeto: ok
SS Penji: our body goes automatically to sleep posture
SS Penji: proper arm and leg allignments are set up
SS Penji: to sleep
Preeto: gd
SS Penji: we did hear some deep sound inside our heart today. do not remember exactly..
Preeto: its all an inner journey
Preeto: inner universe
Preeto: inner exeriences
Preeto: with His grace He teaches about your body
Preeto: that's why he is your inner SatGuru
Preeto: means SAT is the GURU inside you
Preeto: and that is how He teaches you
Preeto: from inside
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: rather than having to read outside books, runnning around to outside temples and outside sangat
Preeto: now you know what SAT SANGAT means
Preeto: sangat of SAT
SS Penji: bilkul bhaji
Preeto: of HIM inside you - one to one.
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: but its all thanks to the outer GURU
Preeto: the one who already had SAT as the GURU inside them
Preeto: who has then connected you to the SAT GURU inside you
Preeto: that is what people dont understand
Preeto: or dont want to understand
Preeto: they say God is the Sat Guru
Preeto: Guru Nanak Dev ji's Sat Guru was God
Preeto: and that is right, that is true
Preeto: but then they say, so also our Sat guru is only God
Preeto: we dont need physcial Sat Guru
Preeto: baba ji's Satguru is God as well
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: and your mother's too?
Preeto: our mum has been blessed by lots of sants growing up
SS Penji: oh ok
Preeto: but she's just stuck in the "guru granth sahib ji is my sant"
Preeto: until we remind her of all the sants that have blessed her and she has served in her life
Preeto: and that she should tell the full truth instead of just saying what people keep saying at the gurdwara
Preeto: but she's ok wherever she is
Preeto: she hasnt overcome moh
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: confusions are there
SS Penji: because we think that the gurus like our das gurus do not come to this earth anymore
Preeto: har jug jug bhagat upaayaa
SS Penji: but God keep sending such sachyaras
Preeto: but gurbani says they keep coming
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: again and again
Preeto: in each and every age
SS Penji: bilkul bhaji
Preeto: bhai gurdas ji's vars
SS Penji: like satnaam babaji
Preeto: he writes that the sikhs asked gur hargobind ji
SS Penji: he is a complete guru he is like God
Preeto: how many more gurus there will be
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and he said jugo jug
SS Penji: see
Preeto: meaning in all ages
SS Penji: and we do not accpt someone as a guru if we see
Preeto: but the english translation was like "jug=2" so jugo jug =2+2 =4 more gurus
Preeto: !!!!
Preeto: see how twisted it gets
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: people already are so fixed in their views
Preeto: because of 300 yrs of wrong preaching
SS Penji: hanji no flexibility
SS Penji: yes
Preeto: that even when they read gurbani
SS Penji: the statements kept changing
Preeto: they have to twist the meaning to fit in with their belief
SS Penji: even maskeen ji was saying same in one of his katha that writers write in the book whatever they think but not the truth
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: rather than just having an open mind, forget what they've been told, and just simply read what is written infront of them
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: yes dassan dass ji said that
Preeto: maskeen ji's early katha was very shallow
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: but later in his life he did start telling the ful truth
Preeto: when he passed away he had only reached karam khand
Preeto: and baba ji said he blessed him with a place in sach khand
SS Penji: oh ok
Preeto: baba ji said, their are 4400 sikh sants sitting in karam khand
Preeto: sitting outside sachkhand
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: so you are already in kahram khand just by blessings of baba ji
Preeto: they spent their whole life getting their, getting folloings, and didnt go any further
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: reason they dont go ito sach khand
Preeto: is because sach khand is realm of Nirankaar
Preeto: means no-maya nir-ankaar,
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so there is no religion, no 5ks
Preeto: no long hair
Preeto: no special language
Preeto: no cultures
Preeto: guru gobind singh ji writes in jaap sahib -
Preeto: na rang na roo narekh na bhekh
Preeto: no colour, no form, no dress, no costume
Preeto: nothing physical
Preeto: no identity
Preeto: no thing
SS Penji: hanji. bhaji babaji or ddj blessed us? what happens in karam khand. ddj said cont simran. is the simran in consious mind or unconsious mind
Preeto: so that is why religion is great to get someone to kharam khand
Preeto: but then the religion itself has to be discarded
SS Penji: makes sense bhaji
Preeto: because religion is only in this world
Preeto: not in god's realm
Preeto: only heart is their
SS Penji: hanji not beyond
Preeto: only love
Preeto: regardless of the outside
Preeto: only what is inside - truth, love, compassion, humblness, kindness, honesty, sacrifice, surrender,
SS Penji: bhaji babaji or ddj blessed us? what happens in karam khand. ddj said cont simran. is the simran in consious mind or unconsious mind
Preeto: satnaam blessed you via the website
Preeto: baba ji said the website is the heart of God
Preeto: when we went 2 yrs ago
Preeto: baba ji said that now whoever comes to the website will be blessed x 10 !
SS Penji: wow
SS Penji: we thought you made the website
Preeto: that's how much kirpa baba ji has infused into the gurparsaadi writing there
SS Penji: so our guru is babaji or ddj
Preeto: all the writings are from heart of baba ji/dassan dass ji
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we only strucutred it for the intenert
Preeto: your guru is SAT
Preeto: we only have one GURU and that is SAT
Preeto: no matter which vessel gives you Naam,
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: it is SAT inside them that gave you the NAAM
Preeto: aad ant eko avtarraa
Preeto: soee guru samjio hamaraa
Preeto: from primal beginning to end
Preeto: there is only ONE AVTAAR
Preeto: understand that ONE is my Guru
Preeto: - guru gobind singh ji
Preeto: it is the same SAT inside Baba ji and Dasssan Dass ji
Preeto: that is your GURU
Preeto: if anyone asks who is your Guru
Preeto: the right answer is SAT is my GURU
SS Penji: ok bhaji. hanji. what happens in karam khand. ddj said cont simran. is the simran in consious mind or unconsious mind
Preeto: kharam khand is realm of grace
Preeto: when simran goes into your heart
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: before that we are making efforts to do simran in conscious mind, with breath, with tongue, with thoughts
SS Penji: it is to be gone to naval then to the third eye
Preeto: but then with grace
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: it goes into the chakras
Preeto: and opens them
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and that is what is happening to you
SS Penji: the chakras are opening for me?
Preeto: the energy goign around your chakras in your astral body is called the kundalni
SS Penji: ok
SS Penji: our hands focus on all the chakras
Preeto: that is why you will feel sometimes in your navel/sex organ/base of spine, heart, third eye, top of head and throat
SS Penji: it takes many years bhaji?
Preeto: so He is directing your(actually HIS) hands
Preeto: over your chakras, so the amrit opens those energy centres
Preeto: self-healing
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: when they are all open
SS Penji: how long it might take bhaji. it depends on your karams?
Preeto: then the amrit flows in through them from your soul, thru astral body, into your physical body
SS Penji: wow ok bhaji
SS Penji: we thought the opposite from physical to astral
Preeto: then from the chakras it flows into your nadis
Preeto: all the energy channels
Preeto: into every cell of your body
Preeto: rom rom
Preeto: thenit overflows from you
Preeto: to the ones around you
Preeto: and if they have eyes to see it
Preeto: they will see aura of light around you
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: so you are being transformed at the cellular level
SS Penji: bhaji
SS Penji: it might take long time?
Preeto: only 6 weeks so far for you¬¬¬¬
Preeto: !!!!!
Preeto:
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: its going faster
SS Penji:
Preeto: that's pretty fast
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we are here 25 yrs later!!!
Preeto: and still plodding along slowly
SS Penji: bhaji
SS Penji: can i ask u something
Preeto: ok
SS Penji: we ask too much our husband was saying we shld be bothering you a lot
Preeto: no we enjoy sangat with you
SS Penji: is your denth door opened or not yet
Preeto: one is oonely, two is sangat
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: when two hearts connect
Preeto: then God Himself appears
Preeto: like a match strikes the box
Preeto: and flame happens
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: that's why sangat is SOOOOO important
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: in sangat its sooo easy to do simran
Preeto: this is sangat too
Preeto: these chats are all with HIS blessings
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: you missed our question
Preeto: we dont nkow
Preeto:
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: sorry if it was not to be asked
Preeto: all our chakras
Preeto: have opened over the years
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: including kundalini expereinces
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we have probabale expereinced most things at some time or the other
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: but we used to try really hard for those expereinces to happen again
SS Penji: oh ok
Preeto: and baba ji told us not to go after expereinces
SS Penji: hanji as you told us
Preeto: just get rid of our 5 thieves, especially ego
Preeto: that's much more important
Preeto: conquoring the mind
Preeto: 2 yrs ago when we went to see baab ji
Preeto: we were in lot of vairag
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we had been singing shabad "meray satgura ma tujh bin avar na koee hum moorakh mugadh sarnaagatee kar kirpal milay har soee"
Preeto: for previous 6 months bfore meeting them
SS Penji: oh ok got it bhaji
Preeto: we were really focused on doing bhagti and making ourself as pure as possible before meeting them
Preeto: when we met them, we were desparate to be with god
Preeto: we were always feeling depressed for many years
Preeto: because we felt everyone else is having wonderful expereinces
Preeto: and we are just left behind
SS Penji: bhaji how the connections were made between UK, USA and canada?
Preeto: email
SS Penji: ok
SS Penji: bhaji
SS Penji: how old is daya
Preeto: 16 mths
Preeto: sorry , we were saying that last time we met baab ji
Preeto: he really blessed us too much
SS Penji: nice bhaji
SS Penji: you are lucky bhaji
Preeto: we dont even know what he did for us
Preeto: all we did was seva seva seva
Preeto: because baba ji is dhan dhan in this world
SS Penji: yes
SS Penji: right bhaji
Preeto: and papi like us cant do simran or anything good, but whatever we can do we keep doing website seva
SS Penji: god speaks in him rt bhaji
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: we were listeni ng tht yesterday
Preeto: but when we went to see baba ji he put us into dargah
Preeto: he opend our heart
Preeto: he gave us his look of grace
Preeto: he told us you were born harjit - maya name
Preeto: now you are "har ka jit" winner of God
SS Penji: babaji is so great we can not even stand next to him as we feel ourself so unpure if he is there next to us physically
Preeto: but we didnt really understand
Preeto: until we came back
Preeto: and on last day of leaving
Preeto: we looked at baba ji
Preeto: and he showed us what he really is
Preeto: we looked at baba ji's eyes
Preeto: with humblness
SS Penji: okk..
Preeto: and we saw God inside him
Preeto: we didnt feel its like baba ji there, a erpson
Preeto: , a guru
Preeto: like you're asking who is my guru?
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: we looked and we sw God looking back at us
SS Penji: so it was a feeling to you that he is God.
Preeto: and everything made sense
Preeto: not that he is god,
Preeto: but that GOD IS HIM
SS Penji: god inside him
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: oh ok
SS Penji: got it
Preeto: like the sun is shinging thru the window
Preeto: and we cant see the window anymore
Preeto: but all these years we were only focusing on the window pane, the physcial body
Preeto: does it make sense?
SS Penji: not the window pane one
Preeto: when we look outside
Preeto: we cant look thru the walls
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so those walls are maya walls inside us
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: every attachment
Preeto: every worldyl wisdom
Preeto: everyt thought
SS Penji: ji
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: is just a wall that keeps us locked inside the room of the mind
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and we can have psitive thoughts or negative thoughts
Preeto: we can have things we like and thoughts fo things we dont like
Preeto: we can have opinions on every topic
Preeto: we have good memories and bad memories
SS Penji: hanji cz of our own wisdom
Preeto: we have hopes and wishes and fear for the future
Preeto: so inside the room of the mind
Preeto: all of this own wisdom is our self made walls
Preeto: and we get locked inside
SS Penji: bilkul bhaji
Preeto: so guru is the one
Preeto: who is like the window pane
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: who makes us see outside
Preeto: yes
Preeto: but to start with we still cant see outside
Preeto: all we can see is the window pane
Preeto: and that is the guru's wisdom
Preeto: so its still part of the mind
Preeto: its still thoughts
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: but these thoughts dont lock us in
Preeto: so they are like the window pane
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: but still we think God is not the window pane
Preeto: god is the sun shinging outside (jyot in our heart)
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and even though we like the window pane,
Preeto: we like the guru's wisdom
Preeto: and we like meeting the guru like baba ji and dassan dass ji
Preeto: we still feel god, the sun, is somewhere beyond that
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so we are happy we met our guru and got the gian
SS Penji: yes you are lucky bhaji, you keep meeting them up.
Preeto: and we feel now we have to earn the gian, do our simran and then we will meet god
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: so that is what we are all doing
SS Penji: ok bhaji
SS Penji: bhaji
SS Penji: you were born in uk?
Preeto: but what we realised last time we met baaba ji 2yrs
Preeto: ago
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: is that the very God we were looking for, searching for, thinking was far away, thinking why are we still so far from him and in vairag,
Preeto: that very GOD was righ there infront of me inside Baba ji
SS Penji: thats exactly we were thinking
Preeto: but i just NEVER saw it befoer
SS Penji: that you saw Him
Preeto: until baba ji's washed our eyes
Preeto: and blessed us to realise deeply inside
SS Penji: bhaji the way babaji has god inside him, we have to have Him inside us too to get enlightened with Him
Preeto: what you are saying is what we used to think
Preeto: but what we are tyring to say is that baba ji doesnt have god inside him
Preeto: GOD IS ALL THERE IS , THER IS NO BABA JI
SS Penji: omg
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: yes, exactly OMG
Preeto: when we realised that
Preeto: when we really felt that
Preeto: we fell at "Baba Ji's" feet
Preeto: because we were falling at the feet of GOD the one we were searchign for these last 25 yrs
SS Penji: we can believe bhaji what a feeling and moment it might had been
SS Penji: how great is babaji
Preeto: tears came in our eyes
Preeto: we felt we had come home
SS Penji: how much love he has for God and God has for him
Preeto: we had found our peace
Preeto: at the feet of GOD (Baba Ji)
SS Penji: what a feeling
Preeto: and then baba ji explained to us
Preeto: "jo mangay takur soee soee devay"
Preeto: that if someone comes to him
Preeto: and sees him as a husband, then that is what they get
Preeto: if they see him as a dad, then he plays that role
Preeto: if tey see him as wise teacher, a guru, that is what they get
SS Penji: ok..
Preeto: but if they come as absolute lowest, as a beggar, full of love and thirst, liek the love of bhagat dhanna ji for the rock,
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: then GOD HIMSELF revelas HIMSELF out of Baba ji
SS Penji: wow
Preeto: and that is what were blessed with
Preeto: to realise deeply within our soul
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and when we came bak to uk
Preeto: we looked in the mirror and looked in our eyes
Preeto: and we only saw baba ji looking back
Preeto: we did our simran and only felt baab ji in our heart doign simran
Preeto: we cooked, cleaned, ate and only felt baba ji is doing it all thru this body
Preeto: and then a few months later in smadhi our hirdh opened and all there was was baba ji waiting for us on the other side
Preeto: and our arms raised up to welcome them in samadhi automatically
SS Penji: omg. so blessed
Preeto: because even though we are saying Baba ji
Preeto: it is actually Nirankaar - the SATNAAM , the God we have been crying for, and singing to and searching for, it is HIM taking the form of Baba ji
SS Penji: our arms open up straight and in hugging pose too. many times
SS Penji: so blessed you are bhaji
Preeto: in astral realms to bless, and also in this physical realm when we physically meet them
Preeto: yes when arms open up we are in dargah
Preeto: heart opens
Preeto: heart is door way to god;s court, god's temple is the heart
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: vich duneeaa sev kamaaeea
Preeto: har dargah baysan paaiaa
Preeto: kahu nanak bahu ludaaiaa
SS Penji: when we do simran, we hear the heart beating louder
Preeto: baba nanak ji says that, do seva in this world
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and you will get a seat in Dargah (god's court / your heart)
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and your arms will raise with joy.
SS Penji: Nice..
Preeto: and its all happening for you as well
Preeto: journey from kharam khand to sach khand
SS Penji: how life changes bhaji. God himself brings this change
Preeto: yes
Preeto: dhan hamaray bhaag
Preeto: how blessed is my destiny
SS Penji: we are so surprised and thankful to god that he showed us this path
Preeto: always be thankful
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: otherwise baba ji says 10s of million have blessings
Preeto: but still only one earns it
Preeto: kirpa kroray te
Preeto: kamaee virlay dee
SS Penji: hanji earning is not that easy
Preeto: upto karam khand baba ji has given you a shortcut
Preeto: put you stright there
SS Penji: only a pure devotinal person earns it
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: took a part of his heart and his earnings
Preeto: and pladced it inside you
Preeto: at the same time taking out your pains and filth, to make a sapce for that naam
SS Penji: how can i repay him, there is no way
Preeto: only by doing satnaam
Preeto: baba ji says repay by earning it
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: he has given NAAM to us first
Preeto: that is why we start in kahram khand in baba ji's sangat
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: he has given us NAAM & GYAN
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: fro his earnings
Preeto: but now we have to walk from kharam khand to sach khand
Preeto: by earning it ourself
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: bilkul
Preeto: he is there inside us to guide us and to pick us up everytime we fall
Preeto: people do ardas to baba ji
Preeto: please just take this mind away
Preeto: and put us into sach khand
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: baba ji says, no you have to earn it
SS Penji: we do not want this mind
SS Penji: bilkul bhaji
Preeto: you have to decimate all those mind-walls, all that self wisdom yourself
SS Penji: he has done whatever he could
SS Penji: now earning is individual
Preeto: with the NAAM & GYAN
Preeto: yes, they open the door for us, give us the instructions, and see what we do
Preeto: becasuse even though they want it for us
Preeto: and they pray for us
Preeto: but if deep down we still have wordly desires
SS Penji: how good they are.
Preeto: and we dont really want to fully surrender
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: then that is what is going to hold us back
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and only we can look inside and deal with those unfulfilled desires and fears
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and decide what do we really really want
Preeto: the gifts or the giver?
SS Penji: it is on a person do EARN it
Preeto: yes
Preeto: so DD ji says always pray for naam dee kamaeee
Preeto: to be able to earn the naam
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: dhan nanak teri vadee kamaee
SS Penji: true guides for fool like us are there to help us
Preeto: baba nanak earned it too
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and baba ji said the more we earn it
Preeto: by cutting away at all our self wisdom
Preeto: then the freer we become
Preeto: and the more amrit there is
Preeto: and that was what you were asking about - why you dont feel the amrit
Preeto: cut your entaglments
Preeto: more you cut, the more amrit there is
Preeto: and you see yor entanglements
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: not by hiding from life
Preeto: but by living life
Preeto: and seeing how your mind reacts to every situation
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: like when you got annyed saaki wasnt sleeping
Preeto: etc
Preeto: and then you do ardas, let it go, focus on simran
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: you bring your mind's running around
Preeto: into the grip of your hand
Preeto: you tell your mind to come back to naam & gyan
Preeto: and not running in maya
SS Penji: ok bhaji
Preeto: baba ji said that when maya cme to him
Preeto: he scooped her up in one fist and tossed her out
Preeto: guru amar das ji writes that
Preeto: maya is just a tiny fly (compared to God) but the whole world is distracted by it
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: kabir ji writes that if maya comes to you
Preeto: cut her nose, cut her ears, cut her up and throw her out
Preeto: for she is the beloeved of all creature n land , sea and air
Preeto: but she is the enemy of the sant.
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: what does that mean in your bhagti
Preeto: it means iif you have any desires left
Preeto: then when doing so much bhagti
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: maya is goign to come very fast to fulfill those desires
Preeto: she may come in your samadhi
Preeto: or in your dreams or in real life
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: and this desire which you wanted so much in your life
Preeto: , will you be able to say "no thankyou, we have everything, we have naam"
Preeto: and really mean it
Preeto: ?
Preeto: or will you take it and enjoy it
SS Penji: saying N is throwing her away
Preeto: yes
SS Penji: will say No bhaji
Preeto: so no to deisres
SS Penji: have to let her go
Preeto: and maya cant get you
Preeto: have desires and maya comes in to fulfill them
Preeto: she works for satnaam as well
Preeto: 5 thieves work for her
Preeto: they all work for satnaam!!!!!!
SS Penji: if we desire for satnaam, will get it
Preeto: they all report back to satnaam (god in your heart)
Preeto: to say how you coped
Preeto: they show you where you really stand on the benchmark of Truth
Preeto: only the PURE can go to PURE
SS Penji: yes, got it bhaji
Preeto: even one black mark on a white wall looks dirty
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: but how can we become that pure
Preeto: everyday we do simran to clean up yesterdays mess
Preeto: and today we pile a whole load more karmic filth on our head
Preeto: like a sinking boat
Preeto: the more we scoop up the water in the boat and throw it out, the more water pours in to sink us
SS Penji: exactly bhaji it keeps adding up
Preeto: so how can we ever be pure enough?
Preeto: its ego to think we can ever do it
Preeto: so then we realise, we cannot do it
SS Penji: let the ego go
Preeto: we can nver be pure
Preeto: we are always going to be a sinner
Preeto: waho waho sachay ma teree tek
Preeto: hau papee tu nirmal ek
Preeto: baba nanak ji says
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: wondrous wondrous SATNAAM
Preeto: i seek YOUR shelter,
Preeto: for I am a sinner
Preeto: and only YOU are the PURE one.
Preeto: then we fall at SATGURU JI's feet
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: in our mind
Preeto: a loser, ego is the loser, defeated, realsing its not in our hand, that we cannot get oout of this mind-room we are locked in, that we are a prisoner forever, even having the gian and the naam, we are still a prsioner
Preeto: o
Preeto: so when we give up our own efforts, fall at satguru ji's feet
Preeto: then HIS GRACE, the GURPARSAAD, takes over
Preeto: thatis why this is called the GURPARSAADI GAME
Preeto: no one goes to God in ego
Preeto: only with GURPARSAAD
Preeto: and GURPARSAAD is given by SATGURU
Preeto: He hold it in his hands
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: he gives it to those who come in humilty, in extreme povery of heart, gareebee
Preeto: baba nanak was gareeb nivaaj
Preeto: in immense gareebee
Preeto: bhai nand lal ji of tenth guru ji's time
Preeto: wrote that when baba nanak ji disapeared in the river for 3 days
Preeto: God blessed baba nanak ji, said that he is his son, that he is to go into the suffering world.
Preeto: god gave baba nanak ji two things - AMRIT NAAM, and GAREEBEE
Preeto: NAAM by itself is INFINITE DIVINE POWER
Preeto: God is the most powerful, His power runs the sun, the skies, the whole universe
Preeto: INFINITE DIVINE POWER
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: a person who has NAAM, but still has ego and desires, will become a spiritual tyrant with that POWER
Preeto: like rishis and munis who used to curse people
Preeto: the only way to handle such power is to become lowest of the low, become GAREEB
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: which means even having everything
Preeto: you have the attitude "Sachay patshah I have nothing, everything is YOURS"
Preeto: and baba ji said that he too went thru that stage
Preeto: did bhagti at the feet of god,
Preeto: then got intoxicated with the power of god
Preeto: (sat ka nasha )
SS Penji: ok
Preeto: and there was SO MUCH PARTAAP - brightness of GOD, that the whole room was vibrating, that when sangat came, they would instantly gointo deep samadhi
Preeto: but at the same time BABA JI was thinking that "I HAVE ARRIVED"
SS Penji: ok..
Preeto: but right away GAREEBEE came in
Preeto: in the form of GYAN from his SATGURU (GOD inside)
SS Penji: bhaji we gtg, can you do us a favor
SS Penji: if you can email us the whole chat
Preeto: and that was "I was nothing without SatNaam, its only because of SatNaam's kirpa that we are expereincing this, it all HIS KIRPA, "
Preeto: and baba ji came back down.
Preeto: ok ji.
Preeto: So last thing
SS Penji: hanji bhaji
Preeto: baba ji said we have to "har kay jiitna"
Preeto: means lose (ego) and win God
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: hanji
Preeto: but then we have to "JIT KAY HARNAA"
Preeto: having won god, become a loser again (Gareeb).
Preeto: thanks
SS Penji: see
Preeto: God bless you ji
SS Penji: how nicely it is said
SS Penji: har ke jitna and jit ke harna
Preeto: its in gurbani too, kanir ji says it,
SS Penji: thanks bhaji
Preeto: it only makes sense though to the one who has done it
SS Penji: hanji
SS Penji: experience
Preeto: without this gyan, many fail in the intoxication of naam, they become KINGS in their own mind
SS Penji: satnaam bhaji. thanks a million for your time and great knowledge
Preeto: thatis what happened to 330 million devi-devtas, shiv, brahma, vishnu too
Preeto: that is why gurbani says SATGURU is HIGHER THAN THEM
Preeto: gur jaysa nahee ko deva.
Preeto: ok ji
Preeto: thanks for listening
Preeto: Godbless you
Preeto: satnaam
Preeto: dandauth bandna ji
SS Penji: bhaji we are lucky to have it
SS Penji: satnaam bhaji
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