Thursday, 22 March 2012

Shabad Guru, SatGuru and You - part 2


PS ..once you get the GurPArsaadi Naam and you open your heart through regular naam simran and total surrender, then when you read/listen/sing the divine words of Guru Granth Sahib ji,  only then you connect at the heart-to-heart level, the spiritual level and really understand because you feel what the Guru's where feeling.  And if you sing / read. gurbani to others, they will also feel it in their heart due to the GurPArsaad coming from your heart.  That is why even the Guru Granth Sahib ji is installed in thousands of Gurdwaras all over the world, yet most are empty, but when a Sant comes and the Kirtan  becomes magical, becuase it is heart o heart, so people flock to those places where the Sant is - teh baykunt tera sadhu kirtan gaaiaa ..that is the real heaven where the Sant sings the real Kirtan  (inside every cell of themself).


On 22 March 2012 09:59, Preeto <satsatsat@gmail.com> wrote:
Satnaam paji, dandauth bandhnaji

thankyou for sharing and realising the Truth, that the GurParsaad - God's Kindness upon you got you wherever you are now.   In our ardas everyday we also thank all of the Guru's and Bhagats for sharing their Gurbani with us, their lifestory, their personal diary.  Everyday we thank all of those brave Sikhs who gave their lives to preserve and protect the divine words through wars and oppression so that they have come to us intact.     

You have realised for yourself that we need the combination of

a) you  (surat)
b) divine word (shabad guru - GurParsaadi Naam).
c) divine guru (sat guru)


All of the Gurus and Bhagts had this.

In gurbani the aim of meditation is "shabd surat da mel" - the union of you(surat) into the shabad.  This happens ONLY with the Eternal blessings of the SatGuru - that is the GurParsaad.

The printed word is the lifestory of the Gurus telling us that they were suffering , lonely, hurt, then they called out to god, that lead them to the sangat of the Sant, they served the Sant with mind , body and soul, the Sant gave them the Gurparsaad of Naam and everything happened inside them.   They are telling us that is what they did and that is what we also need to do.      When you are listening to Gurbani or reading it for yourself, it is the combination of you (or the reader) and the word, that brings it to life and moves you.    What effect it has on someone depends on the state of the reader/listener.  We have four parts to us - phycial, mental/emotional, spiritual

If you are still in body consciousness you will like to listen to the music with your ears or like physical action of reading with your mouth and tongue.  It will help you to start concentrating.

If you like to sing the words or listen to kirtan and feel moved, then it is effecting you emotionally, which is deeper than just body consciousness.

If you like to read and understand , then it is effecting you intellectually.- mentally.

All these first three levels are still part of the physical realm - DHARAM KHAND, GIAN KHAND and SARAM KHAND.

to go beyond into your spiritual dimension, to open your heart, you need HIS ETERNAL BLESSINGs, the GURPARSAAD of NAAM, and that comes from the SANT GURU.  He then gives you the SHABAD GURU of "SATNAAM".



The actual Gurparsaadi Naam, is they key to your heart, you only get from the SANT, not from the printed word.

Hope this explains it better.


God Bless all.





  
On 21 March 2012 15:12, Charnjit Jheeta <jheeta28@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

Satnaam Sat Sangat Ji,
 
There was a time in my life...when i used a lot of drugs, watched a lot of porn, drank alcohol until i passed out, had no idea where i was heading in life. Then one day a thought came into my head "look how big the SGGS Ji is, how much gian it must contain, i'm 26 years old and i've never once thought to look inside to see what all those words are, what they mean"...and then i logged onto the sikhi to the max website and started reading Gurbani. The words struck me deep inside...i couldnt believe the beauty of what i was reading...day after day, month after month, i pondered on certain words, what the meant, how they made me feel...i started contemplating god on a daily basis....what is He? where is He? i came across words like Naam, mediation, Simran....wondered what they were...searched far and wide for deeper meaning...but always returning back to SGGS Ji and finding that with Gods Grace the meanings were evolving, changing alongside my own internal changes...the more i looked, read, pondered contemplated...the more i wanted to find, experience and feel the bliss. I came across references to Saints...their beauty, serving the saints..
i started looking for saints...who was real? which ones are the fake conmen? how will i know....??
 
During this, i started experimenting with meditation, Simran..... i came across books written by saints or the saints followers, their guidance on Simran....then i tried to experience...
at the same time i would return to SGGS Ji...again the meanings...the love for the words would increase...the connection would increase...
 
I then hit a part in my life and fell off the tracks again....and in a CRY TO GOD, I YELLED FOR SOME HELP :(. By Grace i emailed the sangat, and by great good fortune Dassan Dass Ji was visiting the U.K and i went to see Him. My life hasnt been the same since. the blessings are endless.
 
When i look back...the journey taken... the Grace to open and explore the SGGS Ji was gurparsaad, the ferrying across by each word and sound and wanting to know more was gurparsaad,
the longing to maybe meet a Saint as described in SGGS Ji was gurparsaad, the instructions in SGGS Ji about meditating on the Naam that led me to your website when i googled the word Naam Simran and Satnaam was all gurparsaad...having my troubles was gurparsaad, remembering what SGGS Ji taight me during my mental troubles that prompted me to seek Dassan Dass Ji was gurparsaad and Guru Ji's grace...meeting dassan dass ji was gurparsaad.
 
at this present day, when i now sit in the gurdwara and start meditaing....how can i not look back at all this and hold my hands together and thank the words, wisdom and gian in SGGS Ji for ferrying me across to where i am now...wasn't it all Grace, Gurparsaad?
 
But the tests are continuous...theres much to defeat and gain control of in the mind...and i fail miserably sometimes :(
But now i have the company of the Sat Sangat to help guide me :)  how can i fail :)
 
SGGS Ji ferried me across to this point in time...but there's still a distance to go...i can see the shore...Satnaam Dassan Dass ji is the lighthouse guiding me to safety.
SGGS Ji, the Sat Sangat, Satnaam Dassan Dass Ji ...  the complete and all divine ONE.
 
God Bless us all.
 
Satnaam Satnaam Satnaam

 
To: satnaam@yahoogroups.com
CC: rajinderschahal@yahoo.com
From: satsatsat@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:36:13 +0000
Subject: Re: [SatNaam Parivaar] Re: Bani


 

Satnaam ji, dandauth bandhna ji
 
the "power" in the words, is the GURPARSAAD.     The Infinte Divine Power attached to the Physcial word.
 
Ask yourself why everyone at the Gurdwara is not getting the GurParsaad even after reading SGGS Ji?
 
thanks
 
 
On 21 March 2012 12:49, Charnjit Jheeta <jheeta28@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

Satnaam Ji,
 
thanks for sharing this divine knowledge.
 
you made reference to: The power is in the word spoken by the Holy Beings not in the holy scriptures.
 
When i met Satnaam Dassan Dass Ji, their words were so beautiful and i felt so much at home with them even though it was the first time we physically met. Their words were and continue to be divine to me and hopefully the rest of the sangat. I'm 100% sure they will help ferry me across the world ocean :) Satnaam Ji flows through them :)
 
But is not what is in the holy scriptures SGGS Ji, also not what was spoken by the holy beings, guru ji's, saints, bhagats etc? do they not contain the same power as all the brahm giani's that are present today? I was always under the assumption that: eveything in SGGS ji came from the same source i.e Wondrous Satnaam Ji
 
thaa mai kehiaa kehan jaa thujhai kehaaeiaa ||
When I have spoken, I spoke as You made me speak

jo thudhh bhaavai soee aakhaa thil thaeree vaddiaaee ||3||
As it pleases Your Will, I speak; it is just the tiniest bit of Your greatness. ||3||
 
Does the Power and vibration of the Mool Manter change over 500 years? will Dassan Daas Ji's Words be less powerful after 500 years? if they came from the same source i.e Satnaam.
 
This is just a question from a confused soul who's mind is filled with filth. Appologies to the True Sangat if i have made any silly remarks.
 
God bless all.
 
Satnaam Satnaam Satnaam.
 

 
To: rajinderschahal@yahoo.com
CC: satnaam@yahoogroups.com
From: satsatsat@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:18:10 +0000
Subject: [SatNaam Parivaar] Re: Bani


 
Uploaded Ji.


http://www.satnaam.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2378%3A21-the-meaning-of-bani&catid=17%3Ashabad-guru&Itemid=557 

On 17 March 2012 13:27, rajinder chahal <rajinderschahal@yahoo.com> wrote:
We always refer about holy scriptures written in SGGS as Bani/Gurbani. Let us see how Bani is defined or described in the SGGS.
Jo pekẖā so sabẖ kicẖẖ su▫āmī.Jo sunṇā so parabẖ kī bānī. page 1080
Whatever I see, all/everything is Lord/God. Whatever I hear, is the Bani of God.

ਸਗਲ ਬਾਨੀ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਜਸੁ ਸੁਨਿ ਰਸਨ ਬਖਾਨੀ ॥
Sagal bānī mėh amriṯ bānī.Har ko jas sun rasan bakẖānī. page 266
Of all the speeches/spoken words, the most ambrosial speech is to hear and sing/do the Lord's Praise.

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਸੰਤੁ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਸਤ ਪੁਰਖਾ ਜੋ ਬੋਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ਜੋ ਜੋ ਕਹੈ ਸੁਣੈ ਸੋ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਹਮ ਤਿਸ ਕੈ ਸਦ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੀ ॥
Har kā sanṯ saṯgur saṯ purkẖā jo bolai har har bānī.Jo jo kahai suṇai so mukṯā ham ṯis kai saḏ kurbānī. page 667
Lord's Saint, 'The True Guru', 'The True Being', whatever he speaks/chants is the Bani of the Har, Har Lord. Whatever the Guru chants/speaks, whosoever listens to it, is liberated and forever we sacrifice to him.

Sanṯ janā kī ūcẖī bānī.Simar simar ṯare Nānak parānī. page 1300

The words spoken by the Saints are divine/true. Nanak ji says by Naam meditation the beings are carried across.


So we can see that whatever one speaks constitutes bani, however, the words spoken by the saints or spoken in the praise of Lord are sweet, nectar, true and pure. The power is in the word spoken by the Holy Beings not in the holy scriptures, statues, places of worship etc. When Guru Nanak ji said about Mardana that he won't die(marda na) the words had the power. When Babba Budha ji said that Bibi ji will give birth to a Son who will smash the head of enemy like a onion they were the words of a Saint. The words come from the heart in which the God resides i.e. have manifested itself.

The holy places/scriptures can be destroyed but the God does not disappear. Lord exists in each and everything, in transition, never gets old and is always new. The blessings will come from the living heart. How one gets blessed, by serving the creation as Guru Gur.

ਪੇਖੈ ਬੋਲੈ ਸੁਣੈ ਸਭੁ ਆਪਿ ॥ਸਦਾ ਸੰਗਿ ਤਾ ਕਉ ਮਨ ਜਾਪਿ ॥ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਭਇਓ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ॥
Pekẖai bolai suṇai sabẖ āp.Saḏā sang ṯā ka▫o man jāp.Sanṯ parsāḏ bẖa▫i▫o pargās. page 183
He Himself, sees, speaks and hears, So meditate on the One who is always with you. By the Grace of the Saints, the Lord is revealed/manifests Itself.
ਪਾਠੁ ਪੜੈ ਮੁਖਿ ਝੂਠੋ ਬੋਲੈ ਨਿਗੁਰੇ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ਓਹੈ ॥Pāṯẖ paṛai mukẖ jẖūṯẖo bolai nigure kī maṯ ohai. page 1013
One reads the scriptures, but tells lies; that is the one who is without a Guru.
ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਵਿਦਿਆ ਵੀਚਾਰੈ ਪੜਿ ਪੜਿ ਪਾਵੈ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ਆਪਾ ਮਧੇ ਆਪੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਿਆ ਪਾਇਆ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਨਾਮੁ ॥
Gur parsādī viḏi▫ā vīcẖārai paṛ paṛ pāvai mān. Āpā maḏẖe āp pargāsi▫ā pā▫i▫ā amriṯ nām. page 1329
By Guru's Grace, read, study & understand the Bani/spiritual knowledge so that one can be honoured/blessed with the Ambrosial Naam/Name of the Lord within oneself.

Once it is spoken it is a clarification/an explanation for others, it does not have the embedded power. You have been reading/listening/singing the Bani/holy scriptures for years, where is your longing/yearning/affection for the Gur Guru. Have you ever been passionate for a glimpse of your guru desperate to hear him speak. You just read it, never believed or never acted over it. Never practised what it says, how you expect to realize God.

People always say they get offended by some things, do they ever think why. God residing inside you never feel offended, although you even deny its existence. He still provides you with the breath, pumps your heart, still feed you. The power lies in the word spoken by the Holy Beings, ones belief in it and the subsequent action. Look at the lives of first four Gurus. Once they came to the Guru, they never looked back. They gave up their family, all the relatives/property and completely surrendered to their Guru. What have you surrendered, where is your belief when have you asked for the forgiveness. What you expect in the return. You think you are doing the meditation. You are just making the effort, trying to submit, rest is all up to the Guru Gur. Remmeber no surrender/give-ups, no meditation/bhagti.

We are nothing, all is with the blessing of Guru Gur. Just keep us at your feet, keep forgiving because we can do nothing without you. We are full of bad, not even one good.




--
Preeto.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yahoo Messenger :  sachyara@yahoo.com
 
 
 








--
Preeto.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yahoo Messenger :  sachyara@yahoo.com
 
 
 


__._,_.___
.

__,_._,___



--
Preeto.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yahoo Messenger :  sachyara@yahoo.com
 
 
 




--
Preeto.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yahoo Messenger :  sachyara@yahoo.com
 
 
 




--
Preeto.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yahoo Messenger :  sachyara@yahoo.com
 
 
 

at

No comments:

Post a Comment

Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)

Sat sangat and sat baba ji quotes 52

Sat Bachans from Dassan Dass Ji... There is no BRAHAM GYANI OR SATGURU BIGGER AND BETTER THAN TRUST, LOVE AND DEVOTION. Trust, LOVE AND ...