Satnaam Satguru SatSangat Ji,
Please accept our head at your holiest of the holy lotus feet.
Please keep us under your Charan Saran always and forever.
In the same way that Rajbir Ji wrote that email only 18 months ago without knowing how close death was,
we are also living our lives thinking we will like to live a long imte, infact our daughter said to us when she was 6 that
she never wants to die. But as we get older we all realise we will die, so Guru amar Dass Ji expresses this feeling and gives us the answer on how to truly die
ikAw jwxw ikv mrhgy kYsw mrxw hoie ]
jy kir swihbu mnhu n vIsrY qw sihlw mrxw hoie ]
jy kir swihbu mnhu n vIsrY qw sihlw mrxw hoie ]
Third Mehla:
What do I know? How will I die? What sort of death will it be?
If I do not forget the Lord Master from my mind, then my death will be easy.
The world is terrified of death; everyone longs to live.
By Guru's Grace, one who dies while yet alive, understands the Lord's Will.
O Nanak, one who dies such a death, lives forever. ||2||
What do I know? How will I die? What sort of death will it be?
If I do not forget the Lord Master from my mind, then my death will be easy.
The world is terrified of death; everyone longs to live.
By Guru's Grace, one who dies while yet alive, understands the Lord's Will.
O Nanak, one who dies such a death, lives forever. ||2||
Dearest Dassan Dass Ji, thankyou for telling us about your supremely blessed father. Neither have you cried, neither have you wailed at the passing of your father. You have seen gold and dust as the same, you have lived what Gurbani has taught us, you are Gurbani in the flesh. We bow to your feet.
AwpixAw syvkw kI Awip pYj rKY AwpixAw Bgqw kI pYrI pwvY ]
He Himself preserves the honor of His servants;
He Himself preserves the honor of His servants;
He causes others to fall at the feet of His devotees.
The whole world has been blessed through your father with your presence.
Dnu DMnu ipqw Dnu DMnu kulu Dnu Dnu su jnnI ijin gurU jixAw mwie ]
Blessed, blessed is the father;
Blessed, blessed is the father;
blessed, blessed is the family;
blessed, blessed is the mother,
who gave birth to the Guru.
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Thankyou for giving us all this seva to do so that sinners like us can have a chance to be ferried across.
Please forgive us for all our ego, all our fears of losing our worldy possesions including fear of losing this body , losing the children, losing the house, losing the wife and parents. Forgive us for not having enough faith that the Guru is taking care of everything, to release the fears and to go into full faith that Satgur tumaray kaaj savaaray. thankyou for every day giving us another chance to pass the tests.
dust of your hoy feet
Harjit
2009/6/18 SURINDER SINGH <dassandass3@yahoo.com>
Guru Pyare Harjit Jee Satnaam Ji.
God bless this soul with the Gurparsaad in his next life. He was a good soul. It is all the Hukam that prevails. But this is not the end of life, there is a next opportunity for him to realize his spiritual dreams. Our father also passed away on June 8th. He was 100+ years and until recently he took care of himself. We knew his time has come so we spent a week with him just before his departure. He had excellent health all along. We spoke to Baba Ji on June 3rd and Baba Ji also said that he has very little time left.
Looking at the communications with Rajbir Ji, we think it will be a good idea to consolidate all such communications with various people in the form of another book on the net. These communications will help a lot of people to get answers to their questions. Eventually these can also be published in the form of a book. You might be able to delegate this work to somebody else as you are busy preparing the Sukhmani Sahib. Harmeet, Jaspal, or Taranjeet may be able to help you.
We deeply appreciate your seva. God bless you with all the eternal treasures.
Dassan Dass
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Harjit <satsatsat@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Harjit <satsatsat@gmail.com>
Subject: [Truth] Pray for Rajbir singh
To: satnaam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:52 AM
Satnaam Satguru Ji Dassan Dass Ji,Dandauth bandhana ji,just read on facebook that this person Rajbir Singh who emailed you a few years ago has passed away - dont know the details.I did not know him more than this email and pictures on facebook.Please pray for his soul.His death reminds us that young can die too - he was in his 20s, and we need to keep focused on Bandagi with your grace.We did have a few email conversations with him but he never stayed in touch and never got to the stage of asking for the Naam.Dust of your feetHarjit---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: SURINDER SINGH <dassandass3@ yahoo.com>
Date: 2007/1/4
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re Sukhmani societies
To: rajbir22@gmail. com
Cc: satsatsat@gmail. com
IK OANKAAR SAT NAAM SATGUR PARSAADDHAN DHAN PAAR BRAHAM PARMESARDHAN DHAN GUR-GURU-SATGUR- GURBANI-SAT SANGAT-SAT NAAMGURU PYARE RAJBIR JI:GUR FATEH PARVAAN KARNA JI. IT HAS BEEN A DIVINE BLESSING TO RECEIVE YOUR MESSAGE, OUR RESPONSES ARE IN ITALICS TO YOUR QUESTIONS:Dear Singh ji
I realise I am much lower than you in a lot of respects. You are spiritually advanced soul. But there is something i read on the web site I felt the need to ask you.
RESPONSE:We are just a humble servant – charan dhool of the entire creation, worth of nothing, just a slave of the slaves. You are most welcome to ask any questions, we are not capable of answering any of your questions, it is the Gurkirpa and Gur Parsaad that makes things happen – there is only one Karta and He is the Supreme Doer and with His eternal grace and Gur Parsaad we will try to answer your questions. One thing more we would like to present at your shree charans is that with the Gur Parsaad and Gur Kirpa this website is dedicated to Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva – Parupkaar and Maha Parupkaar, which is what is the true divine essence of the entire Gurbani and the true divine essence of the lives-(their Dhan Dhan Kamai) of the Guru Sahibans and all the Puran Sants, Puran Braham Gyanis and Satgurus of all ages.
As per my understanding the main and sole objective of this life is naam-simran, however, Gurbani doesn't say we should not ask for material benefits. Afterall everything is Him and to live this life material things are required. Even bhagats asked Him for food, shelter and other things - there are two such instances in Aarti.RESPONSE:The sole objective of human life is not just Naam Simran – but the sole objective and purpose of the human life is to reach salvation – obtain Jivan Mukti – Mukti from Maya – Mukti from Janam Maran Key Bandhan – and go back and merge in the Nirgun Saroop – become one with the AlmightY, reach the Braham Gyan State and go in to a Sada Sukhi Statge – always and forever in the eternal divine bliss, and not keep on running after Maya. So in order to achieve this sole objective of the human life the Gur Parsaad of Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva is an essential part and that is what this website and the Satsangat is dedicated to. When everything is Him then don't you think that He knows about your needs as well – when He is sitting inside you – the life element inside you is nothing but God Himself – your physical body runs only due to the Jyot inside you – when the Jyot is withdrawn the physical body dies, so where is the question of asking for anything – do you think that if you ask Him for anything He will give you just like that? And how many times your desires have been fullfilled just by asking Him – Puran Bandgi is winning over the Maya – Panj Doots and Desires – and keeping the desires alive becomes a reason for your reincarnation – Janam Maran Kaa Bandhan – and your sole objective of human life is to get out of this Janam Maran Kaa Bandhan. Those Bhagats which you are referring to were Puran Braham Gyanis – and they have recited Gurbani after reaching the Puran Braham Gyan Stage – so if you reach the Puran Braham Gyan stage then all your desires are conquered, all your Doots are conquered – so do you think that Aarti describes the physical needs and desires of these Bhagats? Or something else? Gurbani is not that easy to understand – it is the language of Sach Khand – it has come from Sach Khand – it has come from Almighty – so how can you understand the depth of the Gurbani without taking a deep dive in to the Mansarovar – it is like asking a forth grader to solve a rocket science problem. The meaning of the Gurbani changes when your Bandgi moves from Dharam Khand to Gyan Khand to Saram Khand to Karam Khand and then to Sach Khand, so inorder to get a glimpse of the Mansarovar you will have to go through the process of Puran Bandgi and earn Jivan Mukti. Please read the First Ashtpadi of Sukhmani Bani – to understand what happens when we collect naam Ki Kamai – Prabh Key Simran Karaj Purey, Prabh Key Simran Gyan Dhyaan Tatt Budh, Prabh Key Simran Ridh Sidh Nao Nidh – by doing Naam Ki Kamai you can achieve a lot more than the worldly comforts, you can obtain all the eternal treasures. Also please read the Gur Parsaadi writings on Gurbani (Harjit Ji Please send him the appropriate links). So if you have to ask for why not ask for God Himself – the Gur Parsaad of His Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva and once you get that then all your Doots and desires will be conquered and the entire creation will become yours.
The purpose of this email is not to contradict what you are trying to achieve through your website(more awareness of true religion), but it is to seek answers to the questions I have.RESPONSE:Everything is in Akal Purakh's Hukam so there is no contradiction, we are very thankful to the Almighty for giving us an opportunity to a truth seeker like you – again the purpose of this website is to bring out the eternal truth – about the Gur Parsaad of Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva and help the Sat Sangat realize their sole objective of being in human life – Jivan Mukti.
So continuing with my query, I would like to know who do ask for material things if not God. There is an understanding that material things follow you once you focus on Lord and His name, Gurbani also says so. But people are distressed and they need material comforts.RESPONSE:Your material gains are connected to your Karams – Jeyha Beejey So Luney Karma Sandra Kheyt – whatever you will sow so shall you reap – this is a mandatory divine law – you are the creator of your own destiny – if your Karams are Sat Karams then your future will be good, if your Karams are Asat Karams then your future will be full of pains and sorrows – so make all your Karams Sat Karams and shape your future accordingly. Based on your past Karams your current destiny is carved in stone – no matter what you are bound to pay for your bad deeds and enjoy the benefit of your good deeds oin the past of your this life and all the previous lives – so why not start now to concentrate on Sat Karams – and highest Sat Karam for you at this time is to focus on Sat Naam Simran and keep on praying for the Gur Parsaad of Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva. So focusing on Lord's Naam is not a mere understanding but it is a divine law and promise of the Guru – if you do so then you will get all the benefits that are described in Sukhmani Bandi First Ashtpadi .Material comforts will not take people out of the distress – desires are the reason for distress – there is no end to the desires – when one is fulfilled then there sill be a few nmore – and when the desires are not fulfilled then there is disappointment – and continued disappointment leads to mental dipression and physical and mental ailments – material comforts will never be able to diminish the desires – only the Gur Parsaad of Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and seva will be able to win over the desires and Doots – your needs are fullfilled but not he desires – so desires is the main reason for the distress and only Naam can help remove this distress.
Bhagvad Gita says there are 4 types of people who come to Lord - one in distress, one who nead material benefits, the inquisitive and finally those who are seeking absolute truth. And Lord loves them all, though He loves the last two categories more than first two, because they are selfless.RESPONSE:Lord loves them all the same, Lord's love is not different for different category of people, Lord is single vision – Ik Drisht – for Him all are equal, so where is the question of discrimination – it is the destiny that is different, everyone's destiny is unique, because everone's Karams are different – destiny is a function of your Karams – so the ones who get the cosmic conciousness their Karni goes in to a more and more pious and pavittar mode and their Karams become more and more Sat Karams and that way they are able to divert their destiny closer to the Almighty and eventually get the Gur Parsaad of Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva and they make their life sublime by achieving Jivan Mukti, and the ones who are absorbed in the worldly comforts and material gains remain drenched in the scum of Maya and continue to do so until they start to realize the sole purpose of their human life and start to work towards getting the Gur Parsaad.
These four classes can also be seen as four stages a lot of people go through.
As far as reciting Sukhmani is concerned, the recitation itself purifies the environment. So even if people are reciting it for material benefits they are getting purified by listeneing to Gurbani, which glorifies none else than the Supereme Lord.RESPONSE:Reciting Gurbani is a Sat Karam, but doing Gurbani is a much higher level of Sat Karams, reading Sukhmani is a Sat Karam but doing what Sukhmani is telling you to do is the highest level of Sat Karam – PRABH KAA SIMRAN SABH TEY OONCHA, PRABH KEY SIMRAN SEHAJ SAMANI, PRABH KEY SIMRAN DARGEH MAANI, HARI SIMRAN MEH AAP NIRANKAARAA. So what would you like to do – recite Sukhmani or do Sukhmani, read Gurbani or become Gurbani – read Gurbani or do Gurbani – read Gurbani or become what Gurbani wants you to become. The purification of Hirda is the key – bringing your Hirda in Puran Sachyari Rehat and fill it with all the divine qualities is the key and you can purify the environment only by purification of your Hirda. So reading is not the key, doing is the key – that is why Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Patshah Ji have very clearly described in Asa Di Vaar – Padh Padh Gadda laddye . . . . . . Naam will purify the Hirda and nothing less then that – Naam Simran and Naam Ki Kamai will purify the Hirda and for purification of the environment a pure Hirda is needed – that is why where there is Braham Gyani Sitting that place becomes purified.
There are a lot of instances in Gurbani where there is a mention of Kamdhenu- the holy cow that fulfills all wishes. There is mention of Lord as fulfiller of all material desires. So I think there is nothing wrong in asking for material benefits- moreover it depends on one's mental state. People like me who are not spiritually advanced will ask for material benefits under the influence of material nature and it is not easy to change it overnight. So I think we should not be judgemental of other people like me, who are much below the spiritual ladder than other more advanced people. It is just like punishing a child who has intellect of 4 year old and can't understand or make sense of a concept which requires an intellectual level of 10 yr old. Another way of looking at this would be to consider that even though the 4 year old child might have understanding of the concepts of a 10 year old's level, he might not be able to implement those in his life because he has other restrictions- health, physical strength, mental strength. Similarly people might have a lot material sufferings to deal with before they surrender to Him. Lust for material benfits is one of the diseases, and listening to Sukhmani - whatever their intentions is only going to help them.RESPONSE:A common person will not be able to get an access to the Kamdhenu just like that, Gurbani also tells us that the Akal Purakh is ever ready to give us all the Ridhis and Sidhis (for that matter there is no treasure bigger then these supernatural powers, which live under the charans of the ones who Trehu Gun Tey Parey – means who won over the Maya) so if you are thinking that Kamdhenu is sitting there to fulfil the wishes of a common person then that is an illusion, these are the rewards which are given to the Bhagat when He reaches the Puran Bandgi stage. There is nothing wrong in asking for material things (but your rewards will be only according to your destiny)– but that is not counted as Bandgi – Puran Bandgi is possible only without asking for anything – it can't be conditional or based on material desires, and we are not being judgemental in anyway, we are just trying to bring out the eternal truth in simpler and plain words – if you want to get absorbed in God give your Tunn Munn and Dhan to the Gur and Guru – complete surrender with comittment and belief, faith and trust, devotion and love, and pray for the Gur Parsaad of Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva. Preaching for Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva is not punishing anybody, it is the Gur Parsaad and can really make you to grow to the heights of the spiritual world and achieve all the eternal treasures. Puran Bandgi is a path of giving giving and giving and not asking for anything except Parupkaar and Maha Parupkaar.
I agree with the need to have a lot of Naam Simran societies in the world, at the same time saying that the sole outcome of Sukhmani societies in India is material benefits would be wrong. I am not in touch with any society at present, but when I was very young I used to accompany my cousin ( who was 15 years older to me and was member of a Sukhmani society) every sunday to society's programs.RESPONSE:Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva is a Gur Parsaad and can't be run by any kind of societies or organizations, that is another big illusion in the minds of those who think like that. A Puran Braham Gyani is a custodian of this Gur Parsaad which can't be achieved through these societies. We are not talking about any such societies at all.
I still remeber they never charged any money from people hosting such recitations, they also insisted that parsad should be simple so that everyone can afford it. As i can remeber their sole aim was to raise awareness of this precious resource- Sukhmani sahib, and thus make people better sikhs.RESPONSE:Again we are trying to preach Naam, Naam Simran, Naam Ki Kamai, Puran Bandgi and Seva and nothing else. WE JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BECOME AWARE, WE WANT THEM TO GET ABSORBED IN AKAL PURAKH BY ACHIEVING THE GUR PARSAAD OF NAAM, NAAM SIMRAN, NAAM KI KAMAI, PURAN BANDGI AND SEVA.
I am sorry I may have offended you by writing something, that you might find objectionable. Please forgive this ignorant sewak of yours if I have in any way hurt you or anybody else. And please enlighten me on anything you think is appropriate, all sugestions based on Gurbani are welcome.RESPONSE:There is nothing offensive at all, all your questions are welcome, hope you find answers to your questions, all our Bandgi has been by doing Gurbani so all the Gur Parsaadee writings posted on the website www.satnaam. info are based on actual physical experiences, whatever Gurbani says has come true to us, Sukhmani has come true to us, whatever Gurbani says is happening physically to us on a daily basis, rewards of doing Gurbani are beyond description and are being experienced by us and other members of our Sat Sangat on a daily basis.
Thanks for your precious time, I pray to Lord for the company of spiritually advanced devotees of His.
Kind Regards
Rajbir singhRESPONSE:Please feel free to communicate – more questions? God bless you, Dassan Dass
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Dear Singh ji
I realise I am much lower than you in a lot of respects. You are spiritually advanced soul. But there is something i read on the web site I felt the need to ask you.
As per my understanding the main and sole objective of this life is naam-simran, however, Gurbani doesn't say we should not ask for material benefits. Afterall everything is Him and to live this life material things are required. Even bhagats asked Him for food, shelter and other things - there are two such instances in Aarti.
The purpose of this email is not to contradict what you are trying to achieve through your website(more awareness of true religion), but it is to seek answers to the questions I have.
So continuing with my query, I would like to know who do ask for material things if not God. There is an understanding that material things follow you once you focus on Lord and His name, Gurbani also says so. But people are distressed and they need material comforts.
Bhagvad Gita says there are 4 types of people who come to Lord - one in distress, one who nead material benefits, the inquisitive and finally those who are seeking absolute truth. And Lord loves them all, though He loves the last two categories more than first two, because they are selfless.
These four classes can also be seen as four stages a lot of people go through.
As far as reciting Sukhmani is concerned, the recitation itself purifies the environment. So even if people are reciting it for material benefits they are getting purified by listeneing to Gurbani, which glorifies none else than the Supereme Lord.
There are a lot of instances in Gurbani where there is a mention of Kamdhenu- the holy cow that fulfills all wishes. There is mention of Lord as fulfiller of all material desires. So I think there is nothing wrong in asking for material benefits- moreover it depends on one's mental state. People like me who are not spiritually advanced will ask for material benefits under the influence of material nature and it is not easy to change it overnight. So I think we should not be judgemental of other people like me, who are much below the spiritual ladder than other more advanced people. It is just like punishing a child who has intellect of 4 year old and can't understand or make sense of a concept which requires an intellectual level of 10 yr old. Another way of looking at this would be to consider that even though the 4 year old child might have understanding of the concepts of a 10 year old's level, he might not be able to implement those in his life because he has other restrictions- health, physical strength, mental strength. Similarly people might have a lot material sufferings to deal with before they surrender to Him. Lust for material benfits is one of the diseases, and listening to Sukhmani - whatever their intentions is only going to help them.
I agree with the need to have a lot of Naam Simran societies in the world, at the same time saying that the sole outcome of Sukhmani societies in India is material benefits would be wrong. I am not in touch with any society at present, but when I was very young I used to accompany my cousin ( who was 15 years older to me and was member of a Sukhmani society) every sunday to society's programs.
I still remeber they never charged any money from people hosting such recitations, they also insisted that parsad should be simple so that everyone can afford it. As i can remeber their sole aim was to raise awareness of this precious resource- Sukhmani sahib, and thus make people better sikhs.
I am sorry I may have offended you by writing something, that you might find objectionable. Please forgive this ignorant sewak of yours if I have in any way hurt you or anybody else. And please enlighten me on anything you think is appropriate, all sugestions based on Gurbani are welcome.
Thanks for your precious time, I pray to Lord for the company of spiritually advanced devotees of His.
Kind Regards
Rajbir singh____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
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