Chat with S - Does love exists on earth?

11:16 s: i have one question in my mind

 i want to know the answer

11:17 does love exists on earth?

  i means between girl n boy?

11:18 i saw many people arround me falling in love with sum one but i think according to guru ji love is all maya

  bcoz thats not true dats only our attraction n we have to watch everyone with same eye

 me: baba ji says that God is Love, and the closest God comes to entering the Earth is in a heart full of Love.

11:19 s: that is the only message of GOD

  then why people marry sumone or say that they r in love with sumone

  ?

 me: There is a difference between desires and attractions which are due to our karma making us spend time with someone, and Love which is desireless.

11:20 Baba ji said that if it is love it is selfless, you would give everything for the other, you would die for them and expect nothing in return.

  But but most people have is selfish love, so it is actually just moh (attachment thief).

11:21 Because they want to be with the other person because it makes them feel good,

  they want to then POSSESS the other person and get jealous if the other talks to someone else,

11:22 they want to CONTROL the other person by marrying them and getting them to commit to them, they do this out of fear of being left alone, fear of being hurt..so it is all selfish

11:23 The inital moment they may have had love and it was spontaneous, meaning it just happenned, and that is GOD in their heart, but when they make it selfish, possessive, controlling, it is part of MOH-MAYA. Then it becomes a trap just to play out karma with the other person.

11:25 A Saint, A Guru is the one who in LOVE with God in every heart, and has sacrificed everything to that God and expects nothing from anyone, but gives everything, the biggest gift is the gift of NAAM. That is the difference in saint and a worldly ersons love. One GIVES everything, the other WANTS everything.

  Understand?

 s: yes jee

11:26 but i have one more question

 me: ok

11:27 s: one day i read in satnaam forum that u were fall in love with a gal in ur life but u wont marry her bcoz GOD's hukum so

11:28 s: then i want to know that how u call her ur love bcoz according to babaji every person is same we all are one so how u committed to her, specially her?

but that answer is very important for me

 

s: bcoz when anyone propose me i get confused

  all r same

11:30 so y i committed to him

  ?

11:31 me: in that situation I think the person wanted to marry the other, but they said no cause of parents, so the person got upset cause she didnt get what she wanted. So she needed to accept the Hukam to come to peace, and that the time they were attracted to each other was as per their karma, and it has come to an end as all things do.

11:32 s: thanx a lot jeee

  thank you very much jee

  thats my biggest confusion

  

thank you jee

 me: baba ji said we have karma to clear before we can go to God.

  So we cannot avoid living with people and avoid relationships and attractions and marriage and children. Because its all written in our karma that these people will come into our life and we have to repay our dues.

11:34 We cannot avoid it, because KARMA OVERRULES EVERYTHING.

  Even though you see all as one, still one day God will make you attracted to someone and get you married and have children if thats your karma.

  So that is not bad.

11:35 what is bad is when we forget God and get caught up in the 5 thieves, then we die spiritually.

  And that is why there are so many bad relationships, because they are al selfish, rather than selfless.

11:36 Baba ji said make your own family into sachkhand (truthful) living.

  See your wife and family as your sat sangat,

  wipe their shoes, cook for them, serve them as you'd serve your guru, and do satnaam with love in your heart and expect nothing inreturn.

11:37 then that is selfless living.

 s: thats great!!

 me: so whilst you are living out your karma, you are also going into true love of God.

  and you will find your wife, your children and family all cool down over time and start becoming truhful and helpful too.

11:38 it all starts with the seed of satnaam placed by guru;s grace in your heart,

11:39 then when you are more pure and so is your wife then you expereince higher love, you have spiritual expereinces and help each other to reach God, you become sat sangat for each other.

11:40 Even sex which the world sees as bad or pleasurable, even that becomes a truhful act because your remember satnaam at that time too. And realise sex and reproduction is not bad, it is the tmeple of god because that is where he creates new life, that is why He is KARTA PURAKH - creator being.

11:41 So now your mind is sync with your part in nature - to find a partner, to reproduce to serve one and all with the highest love in your heart.

  The best thng about falling in love with somone is that it gives you a glimpse of what LOVE for GOd is like.

11:42 Love is not bad, it is the selfish desires we wrap it up in that messes peoples minds up.

  Thats all ji,